ipad a1337

Post by mark
I was given an ipad a1337 by a very good friend to wipe and then use.

that is the original ipad with cellular, announced in january 2010 and
shipped in april 2010, making it almost 12 years old.

that's a very, very long time for tech products.

Post by mark
First I would like to know which ios it supports.
It's currently on ios 5.1.1 and says your software is up to date.
Does that mean it can go no better?

that's exactly what it means.

Post by mark
The plan is to factory wipe and start fresh.
Any suggestions before I begin that process?

consider getting a more recent ipad, because very few apps will work on
something that old.

mark

2021-11-11 04:08:43 UTC

Post by nospam
consider getting a more recent ipad, because very few apps will work on
something that old.

App store search will find apps and give me a grey get button which turns
green saying install app but then every app I tried to install said "this
app is incompatibel with this ipad."

When I factory wipe it can I at least get the original apps to work?
Youtube, safari, messages, notes, maps, calendar, music, photos, & mail?

nospam

2021-11-11 05:09:58 UTC

Post by nospam
consider getting a more recent ipad, because very few apps will work on
something that old.

App store search will find apps and give me a grey get button which turns
green saying install app but then every app I tried to install said "this
app is incompatibel with this ipad."

however, it's *extremely* unlikely that app developers will offer apps
for ios 5. usually it's only a couple of versions prior.

this choice is up to the developer. if an older version is not offered,
then there's nothing you can do, other than find another app.

there may be some older apps in the app store that haven't been updated
in years and never removed, which may still work, assuming you can
still download them.

the other problem is that even if you do find apps that can be
downloaded and will run, if they connect to a server, as many of them
do, they still may not work since the protocols and necessary security
patches will likely have changed. that also assumes the servers still
exist, which is not likely for apps that haven't otherwise been updated
in ten years.

tl;dr -, don't plan on using very many apps, if any.

Post by mark
When I factory wipe it can I at least get the original apps to work?
Youtube, safari, messages, notes, maps, calendar, music, photos, & mail?

anything that came with the original ipad will work, subject to the
limitations described above.

many web sites will require a browser more recent than the version of
safari that came with it.

beyond that, don't expect much.

Jolly Roger

2021-11-11 15:04:54 UTC

Post by nospam
consider getting a more recent ipad, because very few apps will
work on something that old.

App store search will find apps and give me a grey get button which
turns green saying install app but then every app I tried to install
said "this app is incompatibel with this ipad."

that's because it requires a newer version of ios than what your ipad
can run.
some developers will offer older versions of their app for those not
running the latest ios version (currently ios 15), which the app store
will automatically offer.
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however, it's *extremely* unlikely that app developers will offer apps
for ios 5. usually it's only a couple of versions prior.
this choice is up to the developer. if an older version is not
offered, then there's nothing you can do, other than find another app.
there may be some older apps in the app store that haven't been
updated in years and never removed, which may still work, assuming you
can still download them.

Yep. For this reason, we archive all of our iOS apps indefinitely, so we
can install any old versions we want - even if they've been replaced or
removed from the App Store.

One app that has been updated and still supports this iPad (I know
because we still have ours) is Catan Classic HD (the iPad version of the
Settlers of Catan board game):

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/catan-classic-hd/id390422167?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>

It's a great way to play without having to set up a physical board that
dominates a table top. ; )

Aside from a handful of other games, this is our primary use of our old,
trusty (crusty?) 1st Generation iPad. : )

Post by nospam
the other problem is that even if you do find apps that can be
downloaded and will run, if they connect to a server, as many of them
do, they still may not work since the protocols and necessary security
patches will likely have changed. that also assumes the servers still
exist, which is not likely for apps that haven't otherwise been
updated in ten years.
tl;dr -, don't plan on using very many apps, if any.

Yep. You can forget most social media apps, such as YouTube.

Post by mark
When I factory wipe it can I at least get the original apps to work?
Youtube, safari, messages, notes, maps, calendar, music, photos, & mail?

anything that came with the original ipad will work, subject to the
limitations described above.
many web sites will require a browser more recent than the version of
safari that came with it.
beyond that, don't expect much.

Web browsing is way too slow to be useful anyway, and most websites have
long been updated with code that simply won't run well (if at all) in
browsers that old. And doing just about anything else is painfully slow.

But playing the handful of games we have on it works great. : )

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Lewis

2021-11-11 22:44:45 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Yep. For this reason, we archive all of our iOS apps indefinitely, so we
can install any old versions we want - even if they've been replaced or
removed from the App Store.

That is only relevant if you actually got apps 10+ years ago, if you
just got a first generation iPad today, you will not be able to load
many, if any, apps on the device.

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Jolly Roger

2021-11-12 06:52:29 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Yep. For this reason, we archive all of our iOS apps indefinitely, so
we can install any old versions we want - even if they've been
replaced or removed from the App Store.

That is only relevant if you actually got apps 10+ years ago

My app archive goes back to 2008. The 1st gen iPad was released in 2010.
; )

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Lewis

2021-11-12 10:54:41 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Yep. For this reason, we archive all of our iOS apps indefinitely, so
we can install any old versions we want - even if they've been
replaced or removed from the App Store.

That is only relevant if you actually got apps 10+ years ago

My app archive goes back to 2008. The 1st gen iPad was released in 2010.

Yes, but the OP just got this 10 year old iPad.

And will your archive goes back to 2008, most of those apps would not
run fully on the iPad, only in 'iPhone mode' with an optional and fugly
doubled display size.

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Jolly Roger

2021-11-12 21:07:28 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Yep. For this reason, we archive all of our iOS apps indefinitely,
so we can install any old versions we want - even if they've been
replaced or removed from the App Store.

That is only relevant if you actually got apps 10+ years ago

My app archive goes back to 2008. The 1st gen iPad was released in 2010.

Yes, but the OP just got this 10 year old iPad.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that the OP's iPad
will be very useful or run most apps. I'm simply stating that if you
archive your apps, you can use them indefinitely - even if they have
been removed from the App Store or replaced with newer versions that no
longer support older devices. : )

Post by Lewis
And will your archive goes back to 2008, most of those apps would not
run fully on the iPad, only in 'iPhone mode' with an optional and
fugly doubled display size.

All of the apps that I had installed on the iPad at the time of the
archive run (most of which are full iPad apps) are included in the
archive.

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nospam

2021-11-12 21:42:33 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
My app archive goes back to 2008. The 1st gen iPad was released in 2010.

Yes, but the OP just got this 10 year old iPad.

don't be ridiculous. everyone knows that you can't install older apps
on ios, nor can you even make backups. that's an android thing. both
sms and 'arlen' have said that many times. :)

Jolly Roger

2021-11-12 23:11:55 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
My app archive goes back to 2008. The 1st gen iPad was released in 2010.

Yes, but the OP just got this 10 year old iPad.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that the OP's
iPad will be very useful or run most apps. I'm simply stating that if
you archive your apps, you can use them indefinitely - even if they
have been removed from the App Store or replaced with newer versions
that no longer support older devices. : )

don't be ridiculous. everyone knows that you can't install older apps
on ios, nor can you even make backups. that's an android thing. both
sms and 'arlen' have said that many times. :)

Their lack of disruption in this thread has certainly been a breath of
fresh air. : )

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mark

2021-11-13 01:31:00 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
I'm simply stating that if you
archive your apps, you can use them indefinitely - even if they have
been removed from the App Store or replaced with newer versions that no
longer support older devices. : )

The a1337 was given to me.
I haven't wiped it yet.
The last backup is from less than a year ago.
After I factory wipe how do I get the apps you speak of on that a1337?

nospam

2021-11-13 01:40:49 UTC

Post by mark
The a1337 was given to me.
I haven't wiped it yet.
The last backup is from less than a year ago.
After I factory wipe how do I get the apps you speak of on that a1337?

after wiping it, you will have only the bundled apps.

you can find third party apps in the app store, but as has been
mentioned before, there will be very few apps that still work on ios 5,
if you can even download them at all.

Your Name

2021-11-13 05:34:08 UTC

I'm simply stating that if you archive your apps, you can use them
indefinitely - even if they have been removed from the App Store or
replaced with newer versions that no longer support older devices. : )

The a1337 was given to me.
I haven't wiped it yet.
The last backup is from less than a year ago.
After I factory wipe how do I get the apps you speak of on that a1337?

You can't normally archive apps or restore them anyway - Apple's backup
options only backup user data, not apps or the OS itself.

The two options for doing it are either:

- a third-party Mac / Windows app that gives you
*full* access to the iOS device (e.g. iMazing),

or

- jailbreak the device.

Either way you would need to know what you're doing. Potentially the
app's installation routine may also scatter around the OS folders that
you might miss, making the app not work after "restoring" it.

Lewis

2021-11-13 05:39:59 UTC

Post by Your Name

The a1337 was given to me.
I haven't wiped it yet.
The last backup is from less than a year ago.
After I factory wipe how do I get the apps you speak of on that a1337?

You can't normally archive apps or restore them anyway

Completely an utterly and 100% wrong in every possible way. Not only is
it wrong, it has *ALWAYS* been wrong. There has never been a point where
it was impossible to backup apps from iOS or iPadOS.

Post by Your Name
- a third-party Mac / Windows app that gives you

No need.

Post by Your Name
- jailbreak the device.

No need.

You are, as is so often the case, spreading lies and/or misinformation.
Howabout you don't bother replying when you do not have a single fucking
clue what you are talking about?

Post by Your Name
Either way you would need to know what you're doing. Potentially the
app's installation routine may also scatter around the OS folders

This is more complete and utter uniformed bullshit.

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nospam

2021-11-13 05:54:22 UTC

Post by Lewis
...
You are, as is so often the case, spreading lies and/or misinformation.
Howabout you don't bother replying when you do not have a single fucking
clue what you are talking about?

that would mean he never posts at all.

sounds like a good idea.

Lewis

2021-11-13 07:19:33 UTC

Post by Lewis
...
You are, as is so often the case, spreading lies and/or misinformation.
Howabout you don't bother replying when you do not have a single fucking
clue what you are talking about?

that would mean he never posts at all.

I can but hope.

Post by nospam
sounds like a good idea.

Doesn't it?

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nospam

2021-11-13 05:54:21 UTC

Post by Your Name
You can't normally archive apps or restore them anyway - Apple's backup
options only backup user data, not apps or the OS itself.

that is false.

Post by Your Name
- a third-party Mac / Windows app that gives you
*full* access to the iOS device (e.g. iMazing),
or
- jailbreak the device.

nope.

the two options are:

use itunes prior to 12.7, in particular, the 12.6.* fork
apple configurator.

Post by Your Name
Either way you would need to know what you're doing.

which you definitely do not.

Post by Your Name
Potentially the
app's installation routine may also scatter around the OS folders that
you might miss, making the app not work after "restoring" it.

no. very much no.

where did you come up with that idiocy? are you perhaps on some new
medication, one where the dosage needs adjusting?

there is no 'app installation routine' for ios, nor is there anything
to scatter, nor could there be, since everything is sandboxed.

as usual, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Jolly Roger

2021-11-13 16:36:27 UTC

Post by Your Name

The a1337 was given to me. I haven't wiped it yet. The last backup
is from less than a year ago. After I factory wipe how do I get the
apps you speak of on that a1337?

You can't normally archive apps or restore them

Yes, you can. But you have to do it while they are still available in
the App Store. For apps that are no longer available in the App Store,
that window has closed.

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Jolly Roger

2021-11-13 16:35:07 UTC

I'm simply stating that if you archive your apps, you can use them
indefinitely - even if they have been removed from the App Store or
)

The a1337 was given to me. I haven't wiped it yet. The last backup
is from less than a year ago. After I factory wipe how do I get the
apps you speak of on that a1337?

You can't since you haven't previously archived them. That's the point
I'm making here. Archiving them lets you install them at any point in
the future, even if they are no longer available on the App Store.

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Ant

2021-11-13 23:27:45 UTC

I'm simply stating that if you archive your apps, you can use them
indefinitely - even if they have been removed from the App Store or
)

The a1337 was given to me. I haven't wiped it yet. The last backup
is from less than a year ago. After I factory wipe how do I get the
apps you speak of on that a1337?

I wonder if there are any iOS app archive online to download and to sync.

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nospam

2021-11-14 00:25:51 UTC

Post by Ant
I wonder if there are any iOS app archive online to download and to sync.

not legal ones.

Jolly Roger

2021-11-14 07:23:01 UTC

I'm simply stating that if you archive your apps, you can use them
indefinitely - even if they have been removed from the App Store
or replaced with newer versions that no longer support older
devices. :)

The a1337 was given to me. I haven't wiped it yet. The last
backup is from less than a year ago. After I factory wipe how do I
get the apps you speak of on that a1337?

You can't since you haven't previously archived them. That's the
point I'm making here. Archiving them lets you install them at any
point in the future, even if they are no longer available on the App
Store.

I wonder if there are any iOS app archive online to download and to sync.

That wouldn't be feasible. All iOS apps are signed with a certificate
corresponding to the Apple ID they were purchased with, and you'd need
to enter the corresponding Apple ID password for them to install (or
update) them. This isn't an issue for apps that you have personally
archived, since you know your own password.

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Lewis

2021-11-14 07:31:18 UTC

Post by Ant
I wonder if there are any iOS app archive online to download and to sync.

Obviously not. All apps are "purchased" with an AppleID and always have
been.

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Your Name

2021-11-11 05:41:11 UTC

Post by nospam
consider getting a more recent ipad, because very few apps will work on
something that old.

App store search will find apps and give me a grey get button which turns
green saying install app but then every app I tried to install said "this
app is incompatibel with this ipad."
When I factory wipe it can I at least get the original apps to work?
Youtube, safari, messages, notes, maps, calendar, music, photos, & mail?

It's unlikely you'll find anything on Apple's App Store for a version
if IOS that old.

The only way to get other apps onto the iPad may be to jailbreak it,
but even then it's likely too old ... it *is* ten versions / years old.

nospam

2021-11-11 05:50:07 UTC

Post by Your Name
The only way to get other apps onto the iPad may be to jailbreak it,
but even then it's likely too old ... it *is* ten versions / years old.

jailbreaking is the easy part. finding apps that will run, even apps
for jailbroken devices, is not.

Your Name

2021-11-11 05:38:39 UTC

Post by mark
I was given an ipad a1337 by a very good friend to wipe and then use.
First I would like to know which ios it supports.
It's currently on ios 5.1.1 and says your software is up to date.
Does that mean it can go no better?
The plan is to factory wipe and start fresh.
Any suggestions before I begin that process?

According to MacTracker, the iPad A1337 go only go up to iOS 5.1.1, so,
yes, that's already at it's limit.

The factory reset deletes all the user data, not the OS itself, and
takes it back to the set-up state.

nospam

2021-11-11 05:50:06 UTC

Post by Your Name
The factory reset deletes all the user data, not the OS itself, and
takes it back to the set-up state.

it also deletes all third party apps.

Joerg Lorenz

2021-11-11 06:17:51 UTC

Post by Your Name

According to MacTracker, the iPad A1337 go only go up to iOS 5.1.1, so,
yes, that's already at it's limit.
The factory reset deletes all the user data, not the OS itself, and
takes it back to the set-up state.

Why are you commenting here? As you said yourself you have no iOS device
and you have no experience with smart devices.

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nospam

2021-11-11 07:18:53 UTC

Post by Joerg Lorenz
...
Why are you commenting here? As you said yourself you have no iOS device
and you have no experience with smart devices.

it's not just smart devices for which he has little to no experience.

he used to use a 1997 beige g3 powermac until a couple of years ago,
when he was forced to upgrade because it stopped working. that didn't
stop him from commenting on os x versions or apps he could not run.

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2021-11-11 20:59:11 UTC

Post by Joerg Lorenz
Why are you commenting here?

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Ant

2021-11-11 11:24:34 UTC

a1337? Nice.

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2021-11-11 12:27:08 UTC

Post by Ant
a1337? Nice.

A first generation iPad, despite the leetspeeak number, is not nice at
all in 2021.

Post by mark
I was given an ipad a1337 by a very good friend to wipe and then use.
First I would like to know which ios it supports.

iOS 5

Post by mark
It's currently on ios 5.1.1 and says your software is up to date.

That would be correct.

Post by mark
Does that mean it can go no better?

Yes.

Post by mark
The plan is to factory wipe and start fresh.
Any suggestions before I begin that process?

Don't waste your time? It it is exceedingly unlikely you will be able to
download a single application for it, and most websites are unlikely to
work (certainly nothing with any sort of security).

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Bob Campbell

2021-11-15 03:55:41 UTC

That is what is known as an Antique. The hardware is 12 years old and
software is 9 years old. Not to mention the battery, is it lasting more
than 2 hours?

Safari MIGHT still render some web pages, but it will be very slow. It has
a single core 1 GHz A4 CPU and 256MB of RAM.

If you really want an iPad, there are lots of affordable options both new
and used.

Jolly Roger

2021-11-15 21:36:22 UTC