clarify iPad versions and generations

[Ammammata]

I'm in a mess :/
I tried to map the many iPad versions and generations, failing

so: we have A13 processor, followed by A14 and M1
I'm interested in A14, being the M1 model too expensive for my purpouses
I need the 10+ inches display, 64Gb RAM

Can you help identifying the right model?

TIA

[Lewis]

Post by Ammammata
I'm in a mess :/
I tried to map the many iPad versions and generations, failing

There's an app for that. MacTracker (available for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS)

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Mon 22 Nov 2021 01:37:39p, *Lewis* ha inviato su

Post by Lewis
There's an app for that. MacTracker (available for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS)

thank you, but consider the fact that I've not yet bought an Apple product:
can you copy/paste an explaining table or post some screenshots?

[nospam]

Post by Ammammata

Post by Lewis
There's an app for that. MacTracker (available for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS)

can you copy/paste an explaining table or post some screenshots?

what do you want to do with the ipad?

the entry level model is probably the best choice unless you want
something small (ipad mini) or top of the line (ipad pro). the ipad air
is a step up from the entry level model and if budget allows, that
could be another option.

[Lewis]

Il giorno Mon 22 Nov 2021 02:16:55p, *nospam* ha inviato su

Post by nospam
what do you want to do with the ipad?
the entry level model is probably the best choice unless you want
something small (ipad mini) or top of the line (ipad pro).

"in medio stat virtus"
not mini, because it will be used also for school (in addition to
watching tv/movie) so the bigger (>=10") the better; not pro because imho
it's a waste of money fot the target
I presume the A13 model should alredy be enough for them, but I'd like to
get something better that will last at least 4-5 years

The current base iPad is a perfectly good machine that will easily last
5+ years. The only reason to upgrade is if you are going to be doing
"real" work on an iPad. Nothing you've described indicates a need for an
A13 or an Air.

[-hh]

Post by Lewis

*nospam* [wrote]

Post by nospam
what do you want to do with the ipad?
the entry level model is probably the best choice unless you want
something small (ipad mini) or top of the line (ipad pro).

"in medio stat virtus"
not mini, because it will be used also for school (in addition to
watching tv/movie) so the bigger (>=10") the better; not pro because imho
it's a waste of money fot the target
I presume the A13 model should alredy be enough for them, but I'd like to
get something better that will last at least 4-5 years

The current base iPad is a perfectly good machine that will easily last
5+ years. The only reason to upgrade is if you are going to be doing
"real" work on an iPad. Nothing you've described indicates a need for an
A13 or an Air.

Agreed; the use case appears to support little more than the base model.

Regarding useful lifespan, it will come down to how much the machine's
battery gets hammered on (recharge cycles) as to how long it will last.

Our household has had its 5th Generation (2017, so 4 year old) iPads start
to slide this year on their battery life, so they're in the process of being replaced
so they've gotten ~4 years of fairly strong daily use. I expect to get somewhere
around $100 to $150 trade-in value buying direct from Apple, so that lowers
the effective cost down some as well ...

BTW, it might be worth asking around to see if you know anyone with an old unwanted
iPad laying around to see about potential trade-in to save a few bucks here or there,
rather than just recycling it without getting anything for it.


-hh

[Jolly Roger]

Post by -hh
Regarding useful lifespan, it will come down to how much the machine's
battery gets hammered on (recharge cycles) as to how long it will last.

That's just the battery - not the whole device.

Post by -hh
Our household has had its 5th Generation (2017, so 4 year old) iPads
start to slide this year on their battery life, so they're in the
process of being replaced so they've gotten ~4 years of fairly strong
daily use. I expect to get somewhere around $100 to $150 trade-in
value buying direct from Apple, so that lowers the effective cost down
some as well ...

Or you could just have the battery replaced for a lot cheaper.

[-hh]

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by -hh
Regarding useful lifespan, it will come down to how much the machine's
battery gets hammered on (recharge cycles) as to how long it will last.

That's just the battery - not the whole device.

True, but keep in mind the context is of these considerations for when
its the base iPad model, not the higher end versions which cost more.

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by -hh
Our household has had its 5th Generation (2017, so 4 year old) iPads
start to slide this year on their battery life, so they're in the
process of being replaced so they've gotten ~4 years of fairly strong
daily use. I expect to get somewhere around $100 to $150 trade-in
value buying direct from Apple, so that lowers the effective cost down
some as well ...

Or you could just have the battery replaced for a lot cheaper.

For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.


-hh

[Lewis]

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

[-hh]

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39. Of course you can DIY it, but
you’re then making a comparison to a product that doesn’t need DIY work.
As such, using the price of a battery replacement service makes the base
comparison more honest, even if you decide to DIY it.

It’s similar to being honest in recognizing that a mobile device that needs
to be plugged in to be useful because of a dead battery isn’t really meeting
it’s design objective of being a mobile device: it’s tolerable as an interim
solution until you can get it fixed.

-hh

[Rod Speed]

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39. Of course you can DIY it, but
you’re then making a comparison to a product that doesn’t need DIY work.
As such, using the price of a battery replacement service makes the base
comparison more honest, even if you decide to DIY it.
It’s similar to being honest in recognizing that a mobile device that needs
to be plugged in to be useful because of a dead battery isn’t really meeting
it’s design objective of being a mobile device: it’s tolerable as an interim
solution until you can get it fixed.

Its more complicated than that with a booster.

[Your Name]

-hh wrote:> > For the base iPad, the difference between battery
replacement vs trade-in> > is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means
that the ~$100 extra is buying> >+4 years of technology upgrades (plus
a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).> > YMMV on if you consider that to
be a good or bad value.
Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off>
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I've found online is $39. Of course you can DIY
it, butyou're then making a comparison to a product that doesn't need
DIY work.
As such, using the price of a battery replacement service makes the
basecomparison more honest, even if you decide to DIY it.
It's similar to being honest in recognizing that a mobile device that
needs to be plugged in to be useful because of a dead battery isn't
really meetingit's design objective of being a mobile device: it's
tolerable as an interimsolution until you can get it fixed.
-hh

Most laptops are left on a desk constantly plugged into a wall socket,
because they're too often bought by idiots as a fashion trend rather
than any actual reason or need for a portable computer. You be much
better off buying either cheaper equivalent desktop computer or
spending the same money for a more powerful desktop computer.

[nospam]

Post by Your Name
Most laptops are left on a desk constantly plugged into a wall socket,
because they're too often bought by idiots as a fashion trend rather
than any actual reason or need for a portable computer. You be much
better off buying either cheaper equivalent desktop computer or
spending the same money for a more powerful desktop computer.

not only is that utterly false, but the discussion is about ipads, not
laptops.

[Lewis]

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39.

Look harder. I see tons of them for older iPads that are under $25.

Post by -hh
Of course you can DIY it, but you’re then making a comparison to a
product that doesn’t need DIY work.

Yes, that's why OI said "you can replace the battery".

Post by -hh
As such, using the price of a battery replacement service makes the base
comparison more honest

No it doesn't/ Replacing the battery in an older iPad is trivial. If
someone is too lazy or too scared to do it, that's fine, they can pay
someone else to do it, but that is definitely not necessary.

Post by -hh
It’s similar to being honest in recognizing that a mobile device that needs

Most iPads are not actually used as mobile devices.

[-hh]

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39.

Look harder. I see tons of them for older iPads that are under $25.

From some dodgy website, probably. I should have qualified my statement
for reputable vendors. Even so, your “say so” isn’t as trustworthy as merely
providing a IRL link citation.

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
Of course you can DIY it, but you’re then making a comparison to a
product that doesn’t need DIY work.

Yes, that's why OI said "you can replace the battery".

And to make an comparison of equals, is set aside in the comparison.

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
As such, using the price of a battery replacement service makes the base
comparison more honest

No it doesn't/ Replacing the battery in an older iPad is trivial. If
someone is too lazy or too scared to do it, that's fine, they can pay
someone else to do it, but that is definitely not necessary.

Sorry, but it has little to do with how easy/hard the task is: the task
is a non-zero additional investment of your time/resources, which
for honest fairness must be acknowledged as not equivalent. You’re
making the same comparison fallacy that PC fanboys used to criticize
Apple’s Macintosh for not being able to be DIY assembled.

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
It’s similar to being honest in recognizing that a mobile device that needs

Most iPads are not actually used as mobile devices.

Remember how reports of higher failure rates on Lightning cables got
being blamed on the user keeping it plugged in all the time during use?
Wasn’t the statement was that iOS devices should be used unplugged?

-hh

[nospam]

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis
Most iPads are not actually used as mobile devices.

Remember how reports of higher failure rates on Lightning cables got
being blamed on the user keeping it plugged in all the time during use?

no, although users want to blame everything other than themselves for
causing a failure. it's never their fault.

if someone is encountering frequent cable failures, the problem is very
likely not the cable.

Post by -hh
Wasn¹t the statement was that iOS devices should be used unplugged?

no. they work perfectly fine either way.

[Lewis]

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39.

Look harder. I see tons of them for older iPads that are under $25.

From some dodgy website, probably. I should have qualified my statement
for reputable vendors. Even so, your “say so” isn’t as trustworthy as merely
providing a IRL link citation.

I am sure you are capable of searching Amazon.

[-hh]

Post by Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

Post by -hh
For the base iPad, the difference between battery replacement vs trade-in
is roughly $100 vs $200 (net), which means that the ~$100 extra is buying
+4 years of technology upgrades (plus a 'reset' on one's trade-in value).
YMMV on if you consider that to be a good or bad value.

Are you claiming replacing an old iPad battery costs $100? You are off
by about $75.

Cheapest battery kit I’ve found online is $39.

Look harder. I see tons of them for older iPads that are under $25.

From some dodgy website, probably. I should have qualified my statement
for reputable vendors. Even so, your “say so” isn’t as trustworthy as merely
providing a IRL link citation.

I am sure you are capable of searching Amazon.

As I said, I automatically exclude dodgy vendors.

Ifixit’s kit is $50.

-hh

[Lewis]

Post by -hh

Post by Lewis

*nospam* [wrote]

Post by nospam
what do you want to do with the ipad?
the entry level model is probably the best choice unless you want
something small (ipad mini) or top of the line (ipad pro).

"in medio stat virtus"
not mini, because it will be used also for school (in addition to
watching tv/movie) so the bigger (>=10") the better; not pro because imho
it's a waste of money fot the target
I presume the A13 model should alredy be enough for them, but I'd like to
get something better that will last at least 4-5 years

The current base iPad is a perfectly good machine that will easily last
5+ years. The only reason to upgrade is if you are going to be doing
"real" work on an iPad. Nothing you've described indicates a need for an
A13 or an Air.

Agreed; the use case appears to support little more than the base model.
Regarding useful lifespan, it will come down to how much the machine's
battery gets hammered on (recharge cycles) as to how long it will last.

Not really. There are still plenty of first, second, and third gen iPads
out there being used, even if the battery life is terrible it is pretty
easy to find uses for older iPads that need to be plugged in, or you can
replace the batteries.

[Chris]

Post by Ammammata
I'm in a mess :/
I tried to map the many iPad versions and generations, failing
so: we have A13 processor, followed by A14 and M1
I'm interested in A14, being the M1 model too expensive for my purpouses
I need the 10+ inches display, 64Gb RAM

ITYM 64GB of storage. The RAM of different ipad models is not typically
specified.

Post by Ammammata
Can you help identifying the right model?

Use the compare models option on the Apple website.

I recently got the new entry-level model (iPad 9th gen). Although it's an
A13 model it's been fab for use at work. Really good value for the money.

If you really want an A14 then the ipad Air 4th gen is the cheapest option.


Also as this is for school you can get a discount on the Apple Education
store.

[Bob Campbell]

Post by Ammammata
I'm in a mess :/
I tried to map the many iPad versions and generations, failing
so: we have A13 processor, followed by A14 and M1
I'm interested in A14, being the M1 model too expensive for my purpouses
I need the 10+ inches display, 64Gb RAM
Can you help identifying the right model?

Get the 4th Gen iPad Air. It has the A14 AND has more RAM. iOS (and
iPadOS) support time frames are based on RAM, not CPU.

Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

For a clear picture of specs/prices, go to everymac.com and click on the
iPad link. All will be revealed.

Personally, I have iPad Pros and a Mini 5 and 6. Yes, I like iPads.

[Ant]

Bob Campbell <***@none.none> wrote:
...

Post by Bob Campbell
Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

Is it because people rarely use their iPads to take pictures?

[Bob Campbell]

Post by Ant
...

Post by Bob Campbell
Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

Is it because people rarely use their iPads to take pictures?

Or maybe people rarely use their iPads to take pictures because the cameras
used to suck.

They are the same as iPhones now. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but
iPad cameras are MUCH better than they used to be.

[nospam]

Post by Bob Campbell

Post by Ant

Post by Bob Campbell
Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

Is it because people rarely use their iPads to take pictures?

Or maybe people rarely use their iPads to take pictures because the cameras
used to suck.

no, it's because it's big and not normally carried everywhere like a
phone.

Post by Bob Campbell
They are the same as iPhones now. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but
iPad cameras are MUCH better than they used to be.

so is everything else about it. it's called progress.

[Ammammata]

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Post by Bob Campbell
For a clear picture of specs/prices, go to everymac.com and click on the
iPad link. All will be revealed.

got it, thank you

[nospam]

Post by Bob Campbell
Get the 4th Gen iPad Air. It has the A14 AND has more RAM.

it's also more money.

Post by Bob Campbell
iOS (and
iPadOS) support time frames are based on RAM, not CPU.

nope. that's mostly based on how old it is.

Post by Bob Campbell
Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

that's not relevant if it's rarely used to take photos.

[Lewis]

Post by Bob Campbell

Post by Ammammata
I'm in a mess :/
I tried to map the many iPad versions and generations, failing
so: we have A13 processor, followed by A14 and M1
I'm interested in A14, being the M1 model too expensive for my purpouses
I need the 10+ inches display, 64Gb RAM
Can you help identifying the right model?

Get the 4th Gen iPad Air. It has the A14 AND has more RAM.

Unneeded for the tasks described.

Post by Bob Campbell
iOS (and iPadOS) support time frames are based on RAM, not CPU.

This is completely wrong.

Post by Bob Campbell
Also, the 9th Gen iPad STILL has an embarrassingly bad camera. The Air is
much better.

Photography was not mentioned in the described use case, so irrelevant.

The base model iPad is an extremely capab;e device, definitely worth the
price. Are the higher end iPads better? Yes they are, but that does not
mean the OP needs one of those higher end iPads.

Base iPad $329
Base Air: $599 (almost double)

[nospam]

Post by Lewis
The base model iPad is an extremely capab;e device, definitely worth the
price. Are the higher end iPads better? Yes they are, but that does not
mean the OP needs one of those higher end iPads.
Base iPad $329
Base Air: $599 (almost double)

the original poster mentioned it would be used for school, so he can
probably get the educational price of $299, making an air twice the
price (actually $1 more than twice).

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Mon 22 Nov 2021 11:44:32a, *Ammammata* ha inviato su

Post by Ammammata
Can you help identifying the right model?

thank you all for sharing your thoughts

alea iacta est, my wife decided for the iPad Air gen.4, wifi, 64Gb for both
twins

[Bob Campbell]

Post by Ammammata
thank you all for sharing your thoughts
alea iacta est, my wife decided for the iPad Air gen.4, wifi, 64Gb for both
twins

Very good choice. I wish I had such a computer when I was a child.

[Ammammata]

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Post by Bob Campbell
Very good choice. I wish I had such a computer when I was a child.

me either :/