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Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it.
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Sales
2024-12-07 23:08:21 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.

Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.

Blacks are at most a 14% market.

Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
lowbrow weak and useless.

AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
these racist commercials.

Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.

Don't spend your money on Apple products.
Joel
2024-12-07 23:47:30 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.
Blacks are at most a 14% market.
Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
lowbrow weak and useless.
AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
these racist commercials.
Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.
Don't spend your money on Apple products.
What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-07 23:51:51 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
Specifically black males on slobbering wigger white left-wing fems.
Blacks are at most a 14% market.
Other ethnic group segments that use Apple products are generally
lowbrow weak and useless.
AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others are all pushing iPhone junk using
these racist commercials.
Apple is a racist corporation and needs to learn some social lessons.
Don't spend your money on Apple products.
What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?

How (relatively) trouble free?

I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.
Joel
2024-12-08 00:12:02 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
Don't spend your money on Apple products.
What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?
How (relatively) trouble free?
I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.
Apple gear is OK. But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 00:46:12 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
Don't spend your money on Apple products.
What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?
How (relatively) trouble free?
I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.
Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....

...again.
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?

Be specific.
Joel
2024-12-08 00:59:10 UTC
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Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
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Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 01:04:43 UTC
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Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.

Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
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But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.

Try again.
Joel
2024-12-08 01:18:30 UTC
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Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
Right, I said Apple hardware is overpriced. That was implicit, heh.
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Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 01:27:02 UTC
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Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
Right, I said Apple hardware is overpriced. That was implicit, heh.
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
No... ...it really isn't.

What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
Joel
2024-12-08 01:33:55 UTC
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But it's [using a Mac] the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
No... ...it really isn't.
What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 01:49:11 UTC
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But it's [using a Mac] the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
No... ...it really isn't.
What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
Joel
2024-12-08 02:01:58 UTC
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What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 02:13:49 UTC
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What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
All of this is EVASION.

You claimed it is "quirky"...

...so actually give an example.
Joel
2024-12-08 03:45:59 UTC
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Post by Alan
What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
All of this is EVASION.
You claimed it is "quirky"...
...so actually give an example.
I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
Apple.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 04:08:18 UTC
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What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
I want to like macOS, being a Unix system. But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that. It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing? Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
All of this is EVASION.
You claimed it is "quirky"...
...so actually give an example.
I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
Apple.
You're deflecting even more.

You stated:

"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."

And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
Joel
2024-12-08 04:24:51 UTC
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You claimed it is "quirky"...
...so actually give an example.
I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
Apple.
You're deflecting even more.
"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 06:47:05 UTC
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You claimed it is "quirky"...
...so actually give an example.
I just don't understand the thought that it'd be crazy to say that,
you accept Apple copying BSD as if it's an achievement. There was a
person at M$ who coded something from scratch. Linus Torvalds, and
countless Microsoft developers, have more credentials than anyone at
Apple.
You're deflecting even more.
"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.
Joel
2024-12-08 13:15:15 UTC
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Post by Alan
"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.
There's not a central navigation between apps. It's a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 18:37:24 UTC
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"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.
There's not a central navigation between apps. It's a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?

Be specific.
Joel
2024-12-08 20:37:56 UTC
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Post by Alan
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"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.
There's not a central navigation between apps. It's a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 23:34:07 UTC
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"But it's [Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
There's not enough navigable interface on an iPhone or Mac.
Give an example.
There's not a central navigation between apps. It's a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
In what way are menus on Windows OR Linux "interconnected enough".

Give...

...a specific...

...example.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:13:50 UTC
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central navigation between apps [is] a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
In what way are menus on Windows OR Linux "interconnected enough".
Give...
...a specific...
...example.
Well, we have an example of how Linux can completely flop at this, in
Larry from COLA's idiotic computer. He has no desktop environment at
all. Apple makes a decent stab at it, but fails, because they don't
hire programmers. Microsoft and Adobe do all the real work, and BSD.
Face it, you're talking to a jackass on the Internet but one who knows
what the fuck he's talking about.
And yet you won't actually SAY anything.

Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.

Put up or shut up.
Joel
2024-12-09 00:19:19 UTC
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central navigation between apps [is] a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
In what way are menus on Windows OR Linux "interconnected enough".
Give...
...a specific...
...example.
Well, we have an example of how Linux can completely flop at this, in
Larry from COLA's idiotic computer. He has no desktop environment at
all. Apple makes a decent stab at it, but fails, because they don't
hire programmers. Microsoft and Adobe do all the real work, and BSD.
Face it, you're talking to a jackass on the Internet but one who knows
what the fuck he's talking about.
And yet you won't actually SAY anything.
Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:25:54 UTC
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central navigation between apps [is] a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
In what way are menus on Windows OR Linux "interconnected enough".
Give...
...a specific...
...example.
Well, we have an example of how Linux can completely flop at this, in
Larry from COLA's idiotic computer. He has no desktop environment at
all. Apple makes a decent stab at it, but fails, because they don't
hire programmers. Microsoft and Adobe do all the real work, and BSD.
Face it, you're talking to a jackass on the Internet but one who knows
what the fuck he's talking about.
And yet you won't actually SAY anything.
Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Joel
2024-12-09 00:49:48 UTC
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Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
of GUIs.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:52:37 UTC
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Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
of GUIs.
But you're supposed to provide a specific example to support your claim:

"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."

So do so.

Put up or shut up.
Alan
2024-12-09 01:14:56 UTC
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Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
of GUIs.
"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
So your claim was pure balonium.

Got it.
-hh
2024-12-09 12:38:39 UTC
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Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
of GUIs.
"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
two things with it simultaneously?

Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
across the room?


-hh
Joel
2024-12-09 13:23:12 UTC
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"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
two things with it simultaneously?
Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
across the room?
How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:40:29 UTC
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Post by Alan
"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
two things with it simultaneously?
Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
across the room?
How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
Why? So you can decide how much you can lie.

Either put up or shut up.
-hh
2024-12-09 18:52:38 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by -hh
Post by Alan
"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone.  Try to do more than one thing at once.  It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
two things with it simultaneously?
Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
across the room?
How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
Why? So you can decide how much you can lie.
Funny how the goalposts moved from Android to "Galaxy S".
Post by Scout
Either put up or shut up.
Joel can also try to square his claims with this:

"Here are all of the ways Samsung’s One UI 7 update copies iOS [Gallery]"

<https://9to5google.com/2024/12/08/samsung-one-ui-7-copy-apple-features-list/>




-hh
Joel
2024-12-09 19:05:34 UTC
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Funny how the goalposts moved from Android to "Galaxy S".
No U.
--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 18:39:37 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Alan
"Apple menus are not interconnected enough."
So do so.
Put up or shut up.
Pick up an iPhone. Try to do more than one thing at once. It's
incredible, my mom swears by these goofy phones, but I am as with
Samsung as could be.
Picking up an Android ... okay, now provide an example of a user doing
two things with it simultaneously?
Would that be to dial a phone# and while its ringing, throw the phone
across the room?
How much hands-on experience with the Galaxy S series do you have?
How much hands-on experience do you have with macOS?
Scout
2024-12-09 16:39:18 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Give a specific example of how menus on Windows OR Linux are
"interconnected" in a way that macOS is not.
Put up or shut up.
Navigating Apple's GUI, particularly the phone iteration of their
weirdness, just isn't like Win10 or 11, or the Cinnamon DE on Linux -
nor the "easy mode" of Samsung.
Do you not know what the words "specific example" mean?
Windows 10 and 11, and the Cinnamon DE on Linux, are specific examples
of GUIs.
but you are not showing the specific example of what makes macOS quirky.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:37:08 UTC
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Post by Alan
central navigation between apps [is] a most basic GUI
function, that Apple stubbornly doesn't deal with.
What do you think you mean by "central navigation"?
Be specific.
Apple menus are not interconnected enough.
In what way are menus on Windows OR Linux "interconnected enough".
Give...
...a specific...
...example.
Well, we have an example of how Linux can completely flop at this, in
Larry from COLA's idiotic computer. He has no desktop environment at
all. Apple makes a decent stab at it, but fails, because they don't
hire programmers. Microsoft and Adobe do all the real work, and BSD.
Face it, you're talking to a jackass on the Internet but one who knows
what the fuck he's talking about.
Total evasion with a dose of "I'm better than you" thrown in.
Joel
2024-12-08 05:26:02 UTC
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[Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 06:47:30 UTC
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Post by Alan
[Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.
It's not me making statements I can't suppport.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:41:06 UTC
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Post by Alan
[Apple's gear is] the same as it ever was, quirky."
And yet you haven't been able to state a single example of this
so-called "quirkiness".
From the moment you purchase Apple's products, you join a cult.
The same could be said about those who use Linux and feel nothing else is
acceptable.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:34:05 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options. You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
You still haven't answered.
I want to like macOS, being a Unix system.
Non-answer
Post by Joel
But everything Apple-
centric is just glued onto that.
Non-answer
Post by Joel
It's not fundamentally different
from Windows, or a lot of Linux distros, but why should I be so
obsessed with having Apple's quirky take on personal computing?
Non-answer, indeed it's a question
Post by Joel
Why
can't I use my human intelligence to build a PC, unbound by Apple?
Non-answer, indeed it's a question

You aren't smart enough to build a PC... I doubt you know the first thing
about electronics.
You're like a kid with a tinker toy building something from plans provided
to you and that makes you think you can build a skyscraper.

Oh, and as far as your "human intelligence" that hasn't been shown to be
particularly high either.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:30:16 UTC
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Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
But it's [using a Mac] the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
It's definitely an answer. The reality of what I got is far better.
No... ...it really isn't.
What makes "running macOS"... ...quirky?
I have a computer that makes sense, but is unlimited in options.
Ok.. can you load MAC O/S on it?

I mean you did say it was unlimited in options.

Readers are warned to brace for sudden changes in direction by Joel.
Post by Joel
You
made a choice of an OEM's computer, just an exceptional one, Apple's.
You wish to justify it with rationales that don't really hit pay dirt.
And how does that make "running macOS"... ...quirky?
pothead
2024-12-08 01:21:51 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
My local school district had been using Windows laptops for the students (middle and high school) but
they had tons of issues with them. In fairness they were low line Dell models and not built like the
professional business class line but many issues were software based, students figuring out how to bypass the
locked down machine and so forth.

So in their infinite wisdom the moron school board decided to switch to Chromebooks.
This decision was based upon the advice of a "consultant" who turned out to be a relative of
one of the school board members.
Anyway, this technology swap had issues from day one.
Serious issues.

So finally they decided to move to Apple Macbooks, middle tier model, and for the past 3 years things
have been peachy.
Like you say, the IT department was basically like the Maytag repairman and put out of business.
Software wise most if not everything is in the cloud so that's no problem.
The laptops are locked down and students are unable to crack them.
Mechanically they are like business class Thinkpads and are indestructible for the most part.

My tax dollars hard at work :)
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Alan
2024-12-08 01:30:00 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
My local school district had been using Windows laptops for the students (middle and high school) but
they had tons of issues with them. In fairness they were low line Dell models and not built like the
professional business class line but many issues were software based, students figuring out how to bypass the
locked down machine and so forth.
So in their infinite wisdom the moron school board decided to switch to Chromebooks.
This decision was based upon the advice of a "consultant" who turned out to be a relative of
one of the school board members.
Anyway, this technology swap had issues from day one.
Serious issues.
So finally they decided to move to Apple Macbooks, middle tier model, and for the past 3 years things
have been peachy.
Like you say, the IT department was basically like the Maytag repairman and put out of business.
Software wise most if not everything is in the cloud so that's no problem.
The laptops are locked down and students are unable to crack them.
Mechanically they are like business class Thinkpads and are indestructible for the most part.
My tax dollars hard at work :)
Exactly.

Back in the days before Mac OS X was first released, I made my living
mostly by supporting Mac users through the trials of keeping Mac OS 9/8
running (Mac OS 7 and before, my primary role wasn't support).

They loved it and what it let them do, but there were ongoing challenges
keeping it running smoothly and stably.

Since the day that Mac OS X went golden, I've seen my work for Mac-using
customers dwindle to next to nothing.
pothead
2024-12-08 01:46:17 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Actually, you said PRECISELY that.
Do you want me to pull up the quotes?
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
My local school district had been using Windows laptops for the students (middle and high school) but
they had tons of issues with them. In fairness they were low line Dell models and not built like the
professional business class line but many issues were software based, students figuring out how to bypass the
locked down machine and so forth.
So in their infinite wisdom the moron school board decided to switch to Chromebooks.
This decision was based upon the advice of a "consultant" who turned out to be a relative of
one of the school board members.
Anyway, this technology swap had issues from day one.
Serious issues.
So finally they decided to move to Apple Macbooks, middle tier model, and for the past 3 years things
have been peachy.
Like you say, the IT department was basically like the Maytag repairman and put out of business.
Software wise most if not everything is in the cloud so that's no problem.
The laptops are locked down and students are unable to crack them.
Mechanically they are like business class Thinkpads and are indestructible for the most part.
My tax dollars hard at work :)
Exactly.
Back in the days before Mac OS X was first released, I made my living
mostly by supporting Mac users through the trials of keeping Mac OS 9/8
running (Mac OS 7 and before, my primary role wasn't support).
They loved it and what it let them do, but there were ongoing challenges
keeping it running smoothly and stably.
Since the day that Mac OS X went golden, I've seen my work for Mac-using
customers dwindle to next to nothing.
Yep.
And the cloud has helped tremendously for Apple and Linux as well.
No need to have native/local applications.
The Macs interface fine with the "magic whiteboard" the schools use and so forth.

My opinion of the Apple devices is you have to compare "apples" with apples and
look at the total package, performance and features in a given price range.

For example supporting 6 (I think?) 4k monitors out of the box is insane.
And benchmarks, as usual, don't tell the entire story because the software that
the user is running has a major effect on the performance. It's not just OS efficiency.
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Joel
2024-12-08 01:40:39 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
My local school district had been using Windows laptops for the students (middle and high school) but
they had tons of issues with them. In fairness they were low line Dell models and not built like the
professional business class line but many issues were software based, students figuring out how to bypass the
locked down machine and so forth.
So in their infinite wisdom the moron school board decided to switch to Chromebooks.
This decision was based upon the advice of a "consultant" who turned out to be a relative of
one of the school board members.
Anyway, this technology swap had issues from day one.
Serious issues.
So finally they decided to move to Apple Macbooks, middle tier model, and for the past 3 years things
have been peachy.
Like you say, the IT department was basically like the Maytag repairman and put out of business.
Software wise most if not everything is in the cloud so that's no problem.
The laptops are locked down and students are unable to crack them.
Mechanically they are like business class Thinkpads and are indestructible for the most part.
My tax dollars hard at work :)
You live in a weird place, but I guess I comprehend the whole hating
to finance kids that aren't yours thing, albeit we were all kids once.
I support public education.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
pothead
2024-12-08 01:55:58 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Not an answer.
Try again.
My local school district had been using Windows laptops for the students (middle and high school) but
they had tons of issues with them. In fairness they were low line Dell models and not built like the
professional business class line but many issues were software based, students figuring out how to bypass the
locked down machine and so forth.
So in their infinite wisdom the moron school board decided to switch to Chromebooks.
This decision was based upon the advice of a "consultant" who turned out to be a relative of
one of the school board members.
Anyway, this technology swap had issues from day one.
Serious issues.
So finally they decided to move to Apple Macbooks, middle tier model, and for the past 3 years things
have been peachy.
Like you say, the IT department was basically like the Maytag repairman and put out of business.
Software wise most if not everything is in the cloud so that's no problem.
The laptops are locked down and students are unable to crack them.
Mechanically they are like business class Thinkpads and are indestructible for the most part.
My tax dollars hard at work :)
You live in a weird place, but I guess I comprehend the whole hating
to finance kids that aren't yours thing, albeit we were all kids once.
I support public education.
Please stop making false assumptions.
I put 3 kids through college, all with masters degrees in high paying fields
where they had jobs before they even graduated.

No gender studies or underwater basket weaving degrees here.
That was established from day one.
You want to earn a useless degree, do it on your own dime.

I prefer my tax dollars are spent wisely and not wasted on leeches like snit
who refuse to work even when they can and thus become parasites on the system.

I would rather give away the $19k per year I pay in property taxes to homeless
people (not illegals) living on the streets than waste a dime on a leech like snit.
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-hh
2024-12-08 02:14:30 UTC
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Post by Joel
Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
Gosh, that's a change.
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.

Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.

-hh
Joel
2024-12-08 03:45:59 UTC
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certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
pothead
2024-12-08 03:54:02 UTC
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Post by -hh
certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
Yes they do.
Assuming the buyer knows what she is doing.
Most don't.
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-hh
2024-12-08 12:42:34 UTC
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Post by -hh
certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
from *many* vendors.

As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.

Now if you didn't understand the point, here's a car analogy:

"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".

It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.

-hh
Joel
2024-12-08 13:21:26 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by -hh
certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
from *many* vendors.
As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball? Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro
Center.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 18:39:01 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Post by -hh
certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
from *many* vendors.
As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball? Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro
Center.
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...

...and that would be obvious by the fact that you can buy a MacBook AT
Micro Center.

HH's point is obvious and you're not bright enough to get it.
Joel
2024-12-08 20:41:13 UTC
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Post by -hh
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball? Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro
Center.
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
...and that would be obvious by the fact that you can buy a MacBook AT
Micro Center.
HH's point is obvious and you're not bright enough to get it.
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 23:32:18 UTC
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"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball? Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro
Center.
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
...and that would be obvious by the fact that you can buy a MacBook AT
Micro Center.
HH's point is obvious and you're not bright enough to get it.
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Joel
2024-12-08 23:59:04 UTC
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Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:24:02 UTC
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Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.

Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.

Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Joel
2024-12-09 00:47:16 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:53:21 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
What part of my argument don't you understand?

Would you call Maytag a "purveyor of electric motors"?

Yes or no.
Joel
2024-12-09 01:06:25 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Joel
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
What part of my argument don't you understand?
Would you call Maytag a "purveyor of electric motors"?
Yes or no.
Why is that relevant?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 01:16:17 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
What part of my argument don't you understand?
Would you call Maytag a "purveyor of electric motors"?
Yes or no.
Why is that relevant?
It's called:

an ANALOGY!

Apple is no more a "purveyor of motherboards" than Maytag is a purveyor
of electric motors.

NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.

Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
Joel
2024-12-09 01:20:49 UTC
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Post by Alan
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
What part of my argument don't you understand?
Would you call Maytag a "purveyor of electric motors"?
Yes or no.
Why is that relevant?
an ANALOGY!
Apple is no more a "purveyor of motherboards" than Maytag is a purveyor
of electric motors.
NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 02:02:28 UTC
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Post by Joel
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Post by Alan
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Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
What part of my argument don't you understand?
Would you call Maytag a "purveyor of electric motors"?
Yes or no.
Why is that relevant?
an ANALOGY!
Apple is no more a "purveyor of motherboards" than Maytag is a purveyor
of electric motors.
NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
Yes.

There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
a company that sells complete systems.
Joel
2024-12-09 15:31:53 UTC
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NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
Yes.
There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
a company that sells complete systems.
I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 18:44:57 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
NewEgg or Micro Center will sell you a motherboard.
Apple will sell you a complete COMPUTER.
You ever hear of a distinction without a difference?
Yes.
There is a real distinction between a company that sells components and
a company that sells complete systems.
I went to the same Micro Center to buy my Mac that I bought my old
computer's parts at. Apple is not special in offering main hardware.
That doesn't make Apple and Micro Center indistinguishable.

Apple designs, manufactures and sells complete devices.

Micro Center is a reseller of things that OTHER COMPANIES make.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:47:55 UTC
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Post by Alan
Apple is not analogous to either NewEgg or Micro Center...
Actually, it is, they are both purveyors of motherboards. Micro
Center will be happy to work with Apple, but you can buy any PC
imaginable.
Apple is not a "purveyor of motherboards", doofus.
Then what does the SoC sit on, doofus?
To be a "purveyor" of something is to indicate that you sell that thing
ON ITS OWN.
Apple doesn't sell motherboards. They sell computers.
Just like Maytag isn't a "purveyor of electric motors" just because
washing machines have an electric motor in them.
Do you even hear yourself yammering, there?
And unlike you his 'yammering' makes sense and is logical...
-hh
2024-12-08 19:45:03 UTC
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certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
I don't use Micro Center to know...but I do use NewEgg quite a bit, and
I can tell you that for them you are wrong because they sell products
from *many* vendors.
As such, you're being grossly disingenuous by doing precisely what I
critiqued above: trying to compare *one* company's line of products
offers to effectively the grand sum of *everyone else* in the industry.
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
Laptops aren't DIY component assemblies, & are 80% of today's market:
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).


-hh
Joel
2024-12-08 20:47:46 UTC
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"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Try getting the variety of laptops available as PCs that could
eventually run Linux, from Apple.
Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
-hh
2024-12-08 22:34:40 UTC
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Post by -hh
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Try getting the variety of laptops available as PCs that could
eventually run Linux, from Apple.
I've not kept track of how Linux is progressing for Apple ARM, but prior
to that, the variety of Apple laptops that could run Linux was 100%.
Post by Joel
Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Oh, so when did the story change to Macs being "overpriced"?


-hh
Joel
2024-12-08 22:46:25 UTC
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Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Oh, so when did the story change to Macs being "overpriced"?
It was still overpriced even with the sale, but it was a good price
relative to the market price for a basic MacBook, at the time.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-08 23:33:07 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by -hh
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Try getting the variety of laptops available as PCs that could
eventually run Linux, from Apple.
Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
Joel
2024-12-09 00:04:09 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by -hh
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Try getting the variety of laptops available as PCs that could
eventually run Linux, from Apple.
Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
I'm doing so because the Mac is the Delsym of computers. A pretty
good facsimile of a real PC but yet missing some basic, foundational,
natural existence. Dexers getting high on Delsym because it's what
they see at Walgreens and CVS, and make some ass-backward
rationalization for why they need that odd-duck product to trip on
DXM, is the same exact phenomenon as the weirdo buying a fuckin'
expensive Mac, because they suck Apple's dick so hard.

Go lease a car, dummy.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:25:18 UTC
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Post by -hh
"Tesla sucks because they don't offer as many product variations as
compared to the rest of the transportation industry combined".
It doesn't take much thought to realize its a stupid claim to make.
Did it occur to you that that only supports my point, since Apple is
therefore the oddball?
try posting a NewEgg components list that builds one from scratch.
Try getting the variety of laptops available as PCs that could
eventually run Linux, from Apple.
Post by -hh
Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
I'm doing so because the Mac is the Delsym of computers. A pretty
good facsimile of a real PC but yet missing some basic, foundational,
natural existence. Dexers getting high on Delsym because it's what
they see at Walgreens and CVS, and make some ass-backward
rationalization for why they need that odd-duck product to trip on
DXM, is the same exact phenomenon as the weirdo buying a fuckin'
expensive Mac, because they suck Apple's dick so hard.
Go lease a car, dummy.
What is "basic, foundational, natural existence" even suppose to mean in
this context?

What is Apple supposedly "missing"?
Joel
2024-12-09 00:48:38 UTC
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Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
I'm doing so because the Mac is the Delsym of computers. A pretty
good facsimile of a real PC but yet missing some basic, foundational,
natural existence. Dexers getting high on Delsym because it's what
they see at Walgreens and CVS, and make some ass-backward
rationalization for why they need that odd-duck product to trip on
DXM, is the same exact phenomenon as the weirdo buying a fuckin'
expensive Mac, because they suck Apple's dick so hard.
Go lease a car, dummy.
What is "basic, foundational, natural existence" even suppose to mean in
this context?
What is Apple supposedly "missing"?
Non-gimmicky computers.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:53:38 UTC
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Post by Joel
Post by Alan
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Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
I'm doing so because the Mac is the Delsym of computers. A pretty
good facsimile of a real PC but yet missing some basic, foundational,
natural existence. Dexers getting high on Delsym because it's what
they see at Walgreens and CVS, and make some ass-backward
rationalization for why they need that odd-duck product to trip on
DXM, is the same exact phenomenon as the weirdo buying a fuckin'
expensive Mac, because they suck Apple's dick so hard.
Go lease a car, dummy.
What is "basic, foundational, natural existence" even suppose to mean in
this context?
What is Apple supposedly "missing"?
Non-gimmicky computers.
Another non-answer.
Alan
2024-12-09 00:54:02 UTC
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Post by Alan
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Post by Joel
Heh. BTW, I bought my MacBook at Micro Center.
So? The MacBook product line was discontinued a ~decade ago (3/2015).
When I bought it has nothing to do with Apple partnering with the
store's employee, genius. It was a good deal.
Again, you're trying to compare ONE company to EVERY OTHER COMPANY in
the same product space.
I'm doing so because the Mac is the Delsym of computers. A pretty
good facsimile of a real PC but yet missing some basic, foundational,
natural existence. Dexers getting high on Delsym because it's what
they see at Walgreens and CVS, and make some ass-backward
rationalization for why they need that odd-duck product to trip on
DXM, is the same exact phenomenon as the weirdo buying a fuckin'
expensive Mac, because they suck Apple's dick so hard.
Go lease a car, dummy.
What is "basic, foundational, natural existence" even suppose to mean in
this context?
What is Apple supposedly "missing"?
Non-gimmicky computers.
What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Joel
2024-12-09 01:07:04 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 01:16:38 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Joel
2024-12-09 01:24:31 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?

For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 02:03:50 UTC
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Post by Alan
What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?
For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?

Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?

How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?

As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Joel
2024-12-09 04:51:37 UTC
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Post by Alan
What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?
For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 07:20:20 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?
For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Joel
2024-12-09 07:32:24 UTC
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What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 07:47:32 UTC
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What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?

How is that "an invented purpose"?

And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Joel
2024-12-09 07:51:42 UTC
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Post by Joel
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 08:08:13 UTC
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Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.

Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Joel
2024-12-09 08:14:47 UTC
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Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.
Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 08:16:51 UTC
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Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.
Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
recourse?

But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.

You said they were "devilish".

Care to explain?
Joel
2024-12-09 08:29:10 UTC
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Don't lose the items [so that one would need Apple AirTag devices] in the first place, derp.
So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
recourse?
But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.
You said they were "devilish".
Care to explain?
Screwing up is all a mind game being played by the enemies with you.
Apple gets the profit, you get to be a "beta" as the dumbasses say.
Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Scout
2024-12-09 17:40:32 UTC
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Don't lose the items [so that one would need Apple AirTag devices] in
the first place, derp.
So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
recourse?
But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.
You said they were "devilish".
Care to explain?
Screwing up is all a mind game being played by the enemies with you.
...and Joel apparently then has a LOT of enemies....
Alan
2024-12-09 18:43:41 UTC
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Don't lose the items [so that one would need Apple AirTag devices] in the first place, derp.
So you're saying that if someone screws up, they should just have no
recourse?
But you said rather more than that they aren't really useful.
You said they were "devilish".
Care to explain?
Screwing up is all a mind game being played by the enemies with you.
"enemies"? Good to know your mindset.
Post by Joel
Apple gets the profit, you get to be a "beta" as the dumbasses say.
"beta"? Good to know you're mindset.
Post by Joel
Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
Are Tiles a "scheme"?

Are all the other Bluetooth tracking devices a "scheme"?

This isn't even an argument:

A device that lets you find lost or stolen items is a BOON.
-hh
2024-12-09 14:53:52 UTC
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Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.
Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
Translation:

Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.

-hh
Joel
2024-12-09 15:31:53 UTC
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Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.
Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
amusing.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Alan
2024-12-09 18:39:07 UTC
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Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Look at yourself.
Just pretending that people like to be able to find lost items.
Don't lose the items in the first place, derp.
Joel hasn't taken an airline flight w/checked baggage this decade.
I mean, if it miraculously helped you, I'll accept that, it just seems
amusing.
What's miraculous about it?

Do people's checked bags go astray on a regular basis?

Yes. Absolutely, yes. They mishandle literally THOUSANDS of bags per day.

And it's far more than just checked bags that a device that you can use
to track the location of an item can be useful for.

I happen to own a (fairly) expensive ($35,000USD) racing car which, at
least at times, is inside a trailer (probably $5,000USD to replace,
easily) that isn't kept in a driveway. So for $29USD, I'm putting an
AirTag in the car. $29 to help safeguard $40,000 worth of property seems
like a pretty easy choice.

'AirTag data crucial to recovery of man's lost luggage'

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/04/23/airtag-data-crucial-to-recovery-of-mans-lost-luggage>


'AirTag in luggage led police to more than $16,000 in stolen items'

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2022/08/16/airtag-stolen-luggage/>


'AirTag crucial to recovery of $5 million of stolen tools in Metro DC'

<https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/236579/airtag-crucial-to-recovery-of-5-million-of-stolen-tools-in-metro-dc>


'AirTag helps Australian photographer recover over $7000 worth of stolen
gear'

<https://9to5mac.com/2022/05/09/airtag-stolen-gear/>


'Apple AirTags are helping cops catch thieves. Here's how you can
protect yourself'

<https://www.detroitnews.com/story/life/2024/09/15/apple-airtags-are-helping-cops-catch-thieves-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/75204423007/>


But don't worry.

I know your type very well, and you will suddenly be very enthusiastic
about the technology...

...once you can use it with Linux.

;-)
Joel
2024-12-09 19:07:03 UTC
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you will suddenly be very enthusiastic
about the technology...
...once you can use it with Linux.
That's like believing in Santa Claus, moron.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
Scout
2024-12-09 17:39:35 UTC
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Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
You think being able to locate something that you've lost or that's been
taken from you isn't useful?
How is that "an invented purpose"?
And you don't pay Apple for USING them. You pay Apple just to buy them.
There's no ongoing charged.
Look at yourself. Flailing around like a moron. All because you are
so loyal a customer to this cash cow Apple. Or their employee ...
Joel finds himself without any argument so flops around hoping no one will
notice he lost.
Scout
2024-12-09 17:38:38 UTC
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What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
For once... ...explain WHY you think that.
Because they serve an invented purpose, namely you paying Apple for
them, using them, feeling excited when they locate something for you.
Just retardation.
Strange, I consider the idea of being able to track and important package,
tool or device in real time to be a very useful and possibly necessary
function.
But again, it's not the device it's how people CHOSE to use it.
I mean we could claim computers are evil, cars are evil, etc.
Scout
2024-12-09 17:36:18 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?
For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
What makes a Mac "gimmicky"?
Moreover, why can't you provide a simple answer to that question?
How am I a "lessee" when I buy a Mac?
As for AirTags: they're a very useful invention.
Hint: AirTags are a very useful invention by the devil.
anything is a "very useful invention by the devil" as everything can be good
or evil depending on how people chose to use it.
Scout
2024-12-09 17:34:54 UTC
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What is "gimmicky" about a Mac?
Everything.
Why can't you produce a single actual answer?
Go to apple.com. From the first moment, you're in this corporate,
proprietary world. And going all the way to being the proud lessee of
a Mac completes it, and pick up an iPhone while you're at it! Do you
need AirTags?
For fuck's sake, how are you this stupid?
IOW, No, you don't have any actual answer.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:46:15 UTC
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certainly the [Apple's] hardware options are
finite.
Name a company whose hardware options *aren't* finite.
Because it is grossly disingenuous to try to compare what one company
offers to the grand sum of the rest of the companies of that industry.
Micro Center and Newegg each offer essentially limitless possibilities
with hardware.
Like Macs?

And no, they do not offer limitless possibilities. Indeed, their selection
and inventory is quite finite.

However I am looking for a new monitor for an IBM System/23 Datamaster,
please tell me exactly where either Micro Center or Newegg sells a
compatible monitor.

I mean if it's essentially limitless I would expect at least one of them to
carry it.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:27:43 UTC
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Apple gear is OK.
You're contradicting yourself....
...again.
I didn't say it wasn't overpriced, I said it was acceptable quality.
You do realize that quality costs, right?
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But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
What makes it "quirky"?
Be specific.
Running macOS, for one. But certainly the hardware options are
finite.
Wow.. I'm glad he didn't ask you for a general answer.
Scout
2024-12-09 16:26:25 UTC
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Nearly every Apple or iPhone commercial has blacks in them.
Don't spend your money on Apple products.
What the fuck do you care about their commercials, Kid Rock? This is
how people are led into making irrational decisions. There are plenty
of good reasons not to use Apple's products, beyond mere advertising.
Reasons such as what: how simple they are to use?
How (relatively) trouble free?
I support computer users for a living and every time I convince someone
to buy a Mac, I basically lose a customer.
Apple gear is OK. But it's the same as it ever was, quirky. Linux is
the frontier of software freedom.
.. and talking about quirky
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