did this group die?

All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-10-28 22:38:03 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

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*Hemidactylus*

2024-10-28 22:43:09 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-10-28 22:51:38 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

Means AI in Europe.

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Paul Goodman

2024-10-28 22:54:44 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

Means AI in Europe.

Although I don't think it is something I would ever use, call recording is
available.

--
Paul Goodman

Andrews

2024-10-29 02:52:11 UTC

Post by Paul Goodman
Although I don't think it is something I would ever use, call recording is
available.

Given Android had automatic call recording since the beginning of time, a
rhetorical question is how many scores (if not hundreds) of times did
nospam vehemently & repeatedly forever insist that "call recording" was

... not needed

and

... not wanted

simply because Apple didn't allow it.

Chris in Makati

2024-10-29 14:35:33 UTC

Post by Paul Goodman
Although I don't think it is something I would ever use, call recording is
available.

Given Android had automatic call recording since the beginning of time, a
rhetorical question is how many scores (if not hundreds) of times did
nospam vehemently & repeatedly forever insist that "call recording" was
... not needed
and
... not wanted
simply because Apple didn't allow it.

He used to say the same about 5G.... because Apple didn't support it.

Paul Goodman

2024-10-29 16:09:56 UTC

Post by Chris in Makati

Post by Paul Goodman
Although I don't think it is something I would ever use, call recording is
available.

Given Android had automatic call recording since the beginning of time, a
rhetorical question is how many scores (if not hundreds) of times did
nospam vehemently & repeatedly forever insist that "call recording" was
... not needed
and
... not wanted
simply because Apple didn't allow it.

He used to say the same about 5G.... because Apple didn't support it.

I posted about the addition of call recording for information purposes
only. It is not something that I need, want, or would ever use.

--
Paul Goodman

Ant

2024-10-29 00:02:43 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

V17.7.1 as well.

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Chris

2024-10-29 14:48:19 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

V17.7.1 as well.

Ooh. Thanks.

Ant

2024-10-29 18:21:52 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nobody wants to feed the Troll!

I started wondering if he had maybe serial killed the regulars and consumed
their genitalia. That would have left me last person fleeing in a scary
Halloween scenario.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are free to open an interesting Thread.

18.1 is out.

V17.7.1 as well.

Ooh. Thanks.

You're welcome. :)

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2024-10-29 00:01:58 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

sms

2024-10-31 20:24:27 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls,
including the original poster in this thread.

Once you filter out all the trolls, there are not many regular people
left. Many Usenet groups have become completely useless due to trolls,
but at least this one is occasionally useful

Reddit has displaced Usenet as an online forum to get help. Since it's
moderated, though lightly, you don't have all the trolls messing things
up. There's also no cross-posting on Reddit so it's harder for the
trolls to disrupt things. The advertising on Reddit is annoying, but
it's the price that must be paid.

Howard Forums used to be useful for phone and carrier related questions
and comments, but so many of the groups were taken over by fanbois it
ceased to become useful, plus the organization of the sub-groups is poor.

EndlessSept

2024-11-01 17:35:48 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people who
point out your errors and misinformation.

Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package in
transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you did not
admit your error.

badgolferman

2024-11-01 18:06:35 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people
who point out your errors and misinformation.
Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package in
transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you did
not admit your error.

Is that you nospam?

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how to cope with heatwaves." ~ Stanislaw J. Lee

Alan

2024-11-01 18:08:01 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people
who point out your errors and misinformation.
Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package in
transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you did
not admit your error.

Is that you nospam?

Is that you, Arlen?

Jolly Roger

2024-11-01 21:13:12 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people
who point out your errors and misinformation.
Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package in
transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you did
not admit your error.

Is that you nospam?

Deflection, right on cue.

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Alan Browne

2024-11-01 22:42:52 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people
who point out your errors and misinformation.
Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package in
transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you did
not admit your error.

Is that you nospam?

Deflection, right on cue.

Indeed. But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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badgolferman

2024-11-02 01:18:15 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

Maybe they got tired of being mentioned in the same sentence with Jolly
Roger.

Alan

2024-11-02 02:58:15 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

Maybe they got tired of being mentioned in the same sentence with Jolly
Roger.

That seems a lot like trolling to me...

Jörg Lorenz

2024-11-02 10:59:52 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

Maybe they got tired of being mentioned in the same sentence with Jolly
Roger.

That seems a lot like trolling to me...

In that case it is. Always the receiver decides what is "Trolling" and
what not. Not the sender.

And I agree: It is trolling of the worst kind of an old grumpy and bored
man.

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"De gustibus non est disputandum."

sms

2024-11-02 15:42:25 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

Maybe they got tired of being mentioned in the same sentence with Jolly
Roger.

Often it's hard to know when a troll leaves if you have your filters set
up properly. I didn't realize that "nospam" left for quite a while,
until someone inquired as to where he was. Ditto for Lewis.

Jolly Roger

2024-11-02 18:31:12 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Nope. I'm still here.

LOL, I think that, like me, many regulars have filtered out the trolls

Your problem is you don't filter out trolls - you filter out people
who point out your errors and misinformation.
Recent example insisting that AirTags would not work on a package
in transit on a trailer truck. When (several) pointed it out, you
did not admit your error.

Is that you nospam?

Deflection, right on cue.

Indeed. But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

Between the constant trolls and the people preferring those trolls to
dominate the group through lack of correction/truth, I doubt either one
of them sees much of a benefit in hanging around. If this place is to
become just another crappy advocacy group where trolls have free reign,
there isn't much good information to be had here.

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Andrews

2024-11-02 23:26:58 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Indeed. But does anyone know where nospam and Lewis are? Both
disappeared a bit abruptly.

As Jolly Roger clearly showed, all you Apple trolls are the same as nospam
in almost every way. Same as Lewis. Same as JF Mezei. You're all trolls.

It was clear to everyone that the only role nospam played was to make inane
excuses for why the iPhone didn't have what every other phone already had.

According to nospam's "nobody wants it" & "nobody needs it" on everything
that everyone else had except iPhone owners, apparently everyone wants 4G
(not 5G); and everyone wants anemic RAM; and everyone wants substandard
batteries; and everyone wants more zero-day exploits in history than any
Android phone every had.

To you Apple trolls, Lewis, nospam, Jolly Roger, Haemactylus, Chris, Alan
Baker, Alan Browne, Joerg Lorenz, etc., nobody wants call recording.

And yet Apple added it recently. Fancy that. People wanted it after all.

Same with the laughably paltry RAM Apple chintzes out with on the iPhone.
Nobody wants RAM according to all you Apple trolls. Nobody needs it.

Yet Apple was forced to add RAM to the iPhone 16 due to AI needs.
Fancy that. People did want modern RAM capacity.

Speaking of modern capacity, nospam claimed nobody wanted modern batteries.
Nobody needed them. And yet, the EU told Apple to stop selling any new
iPhone 14 models because not a single iPhone prior to the iPhone 15 passes
the EU's lifetime tests.

Fancy that.

Every one of you Apple trolls says nobody wants modern functionality in an
iPhone, and yet, the EU told Apple if they don't finally provide modern
functionality, Apple would have to stop selling all new iPhones in Europe.

Finally, Apple added these things that you Apple trolls claim nobody wants.
Most Apple had to be forced to add (the RAM they did on their own though).

badgolferman

2024-10-29 15:25:52 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

Alan

2024-10-29 19:11:02 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

badgolferman

2024-10-29 21:09:30 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Andrews

2024-10-29 21:22:02 UTC

Post by badgolferman
Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be �approved� on-topic messages.

The few adults on this newsgroup post to other newsgroups, and when we do,
we're not called trolls. Ever wonder why that is the case?

You, badgolferman, for example, and I, for another example, post to a
variety of newsgroups - but - it's only Apple newsgroups we're called
trolls.

Do you know why?
I do.

The Apple zealots are viciously reactive against the truth about Apple.

a. Tell the truth about Microsoft on a Windows group, & people agree.
b. Same with Android groups when you tell the truth about Google.
c. It's only Apple groups where those who say the truth are called trolls.

So be it.

Alan

2024-10-30 00:11:30 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Bzzzzzzzt.

Wrong again!

*Hemidactylus*

2024-10-30 03:27:21 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

badgolferman

2024-10-30 08:51:23 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

Never mind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-10-30 10:44:26 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

Never mind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

Someone who has a clue how full of shit you are.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-10-30 11:15:32 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

Never mind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

Someone who has a clue how full of shit you are.

He is a bored old Troll. And the strongest supporter of the antisocial
figure called "Arlen".

--
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Jolly Roger

2024-10-31 00:51:55 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

Never mind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

Someone who has a clue how full of shit you are.

He is a bored old Troll. And the strongest supporter of the antisocial
figure called "Arlen".

BINGO

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Alan

2024-10-30 15:53:33 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Do you consider someone who posts on-topic conversations as a troll?
Certainly Jolly Roger, Alan (2), Lorenz do. They've probably been
sharpening their knives the past few weeks.

There's more nuance to whether or not someone is a troll than simply
whether or not they post "on topic".

Yes. They must be “approved” on-topic messages.

Who is the approver then, unless you’re a conspiracist?

Never mind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

Someone who has a clue how full of shit you are.

Amen

Chris

2024-10-29 17:54:54 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

I guess people are realising engaging with him is pointless and there's not
a lot else to discuss. So yeah, quiet, but not dead. Yet ;)

I've started a couple of threads which went OK.

Alan Browne

2024-10-29 18:35:27 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

If good people post good subjects for polite discussion and there is no
silliness from trolls (nymshifting and otherwise) then the ng survives.

However, we all saw the decline beginning as much as 20 years (or more)
ago as newsgroups began to fall to web based forums and social media.

Further, it used to be that there was little 'help' available on the
web, and little way to find it.

Nowadays there are dozens or hundreds of sites that can answer questions
- so the old "Can someone help me with x" is often not met with help but
derisive "What? Google dead where you live?"
(And yeah - I've done that too).

Newsgroups are dead for lack of critical mass of good people
participating. The older users have quit or died. Younger people are
not aware of newsgroups - and/or find them archaic in nature.

We're just too stubborn to quit them.

Also, being non-moderated, unlike some forum style groups, there is
abundant oxygen for trolls - if it is given to them by response
(intentionally or innocently).

Sorry for the long answer - I didn't have time to write a short one.

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Andrews

2024-10-29 21:17:55 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Newsgroups are dead for lack of critical mass of good people

I wonder if you Apple zealots have any idea that the Windows and Android
newsgroups are alive & kicking.

It's just the Apple-related newsgroups that are moribund.

Do you even know why?
I do.

badgolferman

2024-10-29 21:26:38 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Newsgroups are dead for lack of critical mass of good people

I wonder if you Apple zealots have any idea that the Windows and
Android newsgroups are alive & kicking.
It's just the Apple-related newsgroups that are moribund.
Do you even know why?
I do.

Cancel culture.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-10-30 03:31:07 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Newsgroups are dead for lack of critical mass of good people

I wonder if you Apple zealots have any idea that the Windows and
Android newsgroups are alive & kicking.
It's just the Apple-related newsgroups that are moribund.
Do you even know why?
I do.

Cancel culture.

You’re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase has lost
all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Alan

2024-10-30 03:51:10 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Newsgroups are dead for lack of critical mass of good people

I wonder if you Apple zealots have any idea that the Windows and
Android newsgroups are alive & kicking.
It's just the Apple-related newsgroups that are moribund.
Do you even know why?
I do.

Cancel culture.

You’re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase has lost
all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

I love those who claim they're being "cancelled" when people simply do
to them what they have done to others (disagree with them in a public
forum).

Andrews

2024-10-30 14:55:54 UTC

Post by Andrews
I wonder if you Apple zealots have any idea that the Windows and
Android newsgroups are alive & kicking.
It's just the Apple-related newsgroups that are moribund.
Do you even know why?
I do.

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase has lost
all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom in
badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other newsgroups,
he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple groups, he is.

*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*

What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.

*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

badgolferman

2024-10-30 17:02:32 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are
moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

What is kill filing, shouting down, berating, and calling someone a
troll anything other than forms of canceling a person? Having
disagreement using normal conversations without hurling aspersions is
how emotionally mature people communicate.

--
"A word to the wise isn’t necessary. It's the stupid ones who need the
advice." ~ Bill Cosby

Alan

2024-10-30 17:19:54 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.

None of those things cancel a person.

Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

badgolferman

2024-10-30 17:39:43 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.
None of those things cancel a person.
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don’t understand expressions.

Andrews

2024-10-30 19:02:33 UTC

Post by Alan
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don�t understand expressions.

I post every day to Usenet, maybe dozens to scores of times a day, on a
variety of newsgroups, and specifically on all the common consumer
operating system newsgroups that I happen to work on every day.

This whole "cancel culture" that Alan Browne is the instigator on is kind
of interesting as it fits how childishly these zealots actually think.

They literally think I'm on the Apple newsgroup for their affction.
Their appreciation.
Their love.

The sad but revealing thing about them is they really believe that.

It makes no sense to them that I post on plenty of newsgroups, and on those
I don't seem to require this "love" they feel is the reason I post here.

So Alan Brown's *BIG IDEA* is to "cancel me out" by ignoring my posts.
And the zealots agree with this *BIG IDEA* that Alan's brain came up with.

They did the month of August, and then September & now October.
November is coming up.

And yet, the zealot's *BIG IDEA* didn't change a thing.
Hmmm.....

Maybe I don't post to this newsgroup just for their love after all.
:)

Maybe I post to this newsgroup to tell the truth about Apple products.
To them, that truth about Apple products - is a troll - by definition.

So they come up with this *BIG IDEA* to cancel me out by not responding.
Good.

That amplifies my voice even better.
I appreciate their *BIG IDEA* as much as I appreciated when Lewis left.

Less noise and more signal now.

Alan

2024-10-30 19:37:30 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.
None of those things cancel a person.
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don’t understand expressions.

Nope.

I understand them just fine.

You having to face criticism is not "cancel culture".

badgolferman

2024-10-30 21:57:52 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.
None of those things cancel a person.
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don’t understand expressions.

Nope.
I understand them just fine.
You having to face criticism is not "cancel culture".

You contribute absolutely nothing to this group. You’re only here for your
amusement, to criticize, and to play games. That’s the definition of a
troll.

Alan

2024-10-30 22:58:42 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.
None of those things cancel a person.
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don’t understand expressions.

Nope.
I understand them just fine.
You having to face criticism is not "cancel culture".

You contribute absolutely nothing to this group. You’re only here for your
amusement, to criticize, and to play games. That’s the definition of a
troll.

Are you trying to cancel me?

See how that works?

:-)

Jolly Roger

2024-10-31 00:54:52 UTC

Cancel culture.

You�re either being flippant or paranoid delusional. That phrase
has lost all meaning, if it had any sincerity to begin with.

Since all you zealots do is attack people, you missed the sage wisdom
in badgolferman's response explaining why, when he posts to other
newsgroups, he's not called a troll - yet - when he posts on Apple
groups, he is.
*You were so intent on attacking the poster - that you missed the point.*
What badgolferman said is exactly why the Apple newsgroups are moribund.
*And your attack-on-him response proved that badgolferman was correct*

You can't "shout down" anyone in a newsgroup, you ignoramus.
None of those things cancel a person.
Now put on your big boy pants and stop snivelling.

Apparently you don’t understand expressions.

Nope.
I understand them just fine.
You having to face criticism is not "cancel culture".

You contribute absolutely nothing to this group. You’re only here for your
amusement, to criticize, and to play games. That’s the definition of a
troll.

Projection at its finest. You trolls *love* to play victim.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

Andrews

2024-10-30 18:55:25 UTC

Post by badgolferman
What is kill filing, shouting down, berating, and calling someone a
troll anything other than forms of canceling a person? Having
disagreement using normal conversations without hurling aspersions is
how emotionally mature people communicate.

I've been on Usenet since the days when you frequented alt.home.repair,
where the Apple newsgroups have always been a divisive Usenet oddity.

For the zealots, it was always "us versus them" and "we're better'n you".

In the initial heady days of Steve Jobs when Apple was actually ahead of
the mobile phone competition, the zealots would joyfully scream out how
many apps were in the app store, for example, versus the Android selection.

But no more...

In those initial days, the zealots would gleefully shout out how much
better their iPhone cameras were than the Android cameras. But no more.

Long ago, these zealots would happily taunt the Android users on security,
zero-day bugs, and most of all, their vaunted "safety" in iPhone security.

But no more...

The zealots would excitedly scream about their many updates by
contemptuously being scornful of the classic Android fragmentation.

But no more...

Notice the trend - which goes a long way toward explaining why the Apple
newsgroups have turned moribund while Windows & Android newsgroups prosper.

There's nothing for these zealots to tout (other than new emoji & colors).

Apple is moribund...
There's nothing for these zealots to say to feel good about the iPhone.

And that, badgolferman, is the only reason the zealots post to this group.

What do you think about that assessment... it's been decades in the making?

badgolferman

2024-10-30 19:12:10 UTC

I've been on Usenet since the days when you frequented
alt.home.repair, where the Apple newsgroups have always been a
divisive Usenet oddity.
For the zealots, it was always "us versus them" and "we're better'n you".
In the initial heady days of Steve Jobs when Apple was actually ahead
of the mobile phone competition, the zealots would joyfully scream
out how many apps were in the app store, for example, versus the
Android selection.
But no more...
In those initial days, the zealots would gleefully shout out how much
better their iPhone cameras were than the Android cameras. But no more.
Long ago, these zealots would happily taunt the Android users on
security, zero-day bugs, and most of all, their vaunted "safety" in
iPhone security.
But no more...
The zealots would excitedly scream about their many updates by
contemptuously being scornful of the classic Android fragmentation.
But no more...
Notice the trend - which goes a long way toward explaining why the
Apple newsgroups have turned moribund while Windows & Android
newsgroups prosper.
There's nothing for these zealots to tout (other than new emoji & colors).
Apple is moribund...
There's nothing for these zealots to say to feel good about the
iPhone.
And that, badgolferman, is the only reason the zealots post to this group.
What do you think about that assessment... it's been decades in the making?

You may be right, but I suspect the counter argument would be that
Google/Android has finally caught up to Apple/iOS and there are no more
innovations for either to set themselves apart. I don't know whether
that's true or not, but that's something I've heard here numerous times.

--
"The Bible tells us to love our neighbors and also to love our enemies;
probably because generally they are the same people." ~ G. K. Chesterton

Andrews

2024-10-31 01:56:12 UTC

Post by Andrews
What do you think about that assessment... it's been decades in the making?

Well, I wasn't talking about Google vs Apple in terms of innovation.
Android kicks Apple's ass in almost every way you can possibly think of.

But that wasn't what I was trying to explain...

What I was explaining is the hypothesis that the Apple zealots who frequent
these Apple newsgroups have nothing to tout about Apple products anymore.

They used to love when Android sucks and the iPhone didn't suck.
That fueled their egos like you can't believe.

Because of the kind of people these zealots are.
They're all about attacking.

They're about us versus them (much like MAGA people are, in fact).

That "us versus them" mentality they all have means they shifted from
touting how great they thought Apple was, to how lousy they think we are.

They literallyl have *nothing* to say about Apple products that they love.
Nothing.

Yet, they're exclusively a divisive culture that thrives on "us vs them".

So what they've morphed to is entire threads from Alan Browne of his
*BIG IDEA* of how they need to cancel out the people who post the truth.

Does this make sense?

a. Most of the posters here thrive on an "us vs them"
b. Which used to feed their egos when Apple was actually better
c. But now, with Apple being moribund, they have nothing to tout.

They can't do the "us vs them" on AI for example.
Nor 5G. Nor even automatic call recording. Or camera output.

Nothing. (Well, Apple developers sure can make emojis & new colors!)

The fact Apple isn't better anymore means they have nothing to tout.
So they attack us.

Because they only post in an "us versus them" divisive nature.

--
(Much like MAGA, by the way - where the zealots are a perfect fit.)

sms

2024-10-31 20:33:33 UTC

On 10/30/2024 12:12 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

Post by badgolferman
You may be right, but I suspect the counter argument would be that
Google/Android has finally caught up to Apple/iOS and there are no more
innovations for either to set themselves apart. I don't know whether
that's true or not, but that's something I've heard here numerous times.

I can tout several things about the iPhone and associated devices:

1. Satellite connectivity, iPhone 14 and greater
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/101573>
2. Apple Watch is much more capable than any of the Android watches
3. AirPods Pro 2 can, as of a few days ago, function as a hearing aid.
That means $250 for a hearing aid that is sufficient for many people
with minor hearing loss <https://www.apple.com/airpods-pro/hearing-health/>
4. AirTags are much more capable than the competitors because every
iPhone or iPad can locate them by default, no app needs to be installed.

Of course there are also numerous features on Android devices that are
not available on iPhones, some of which I use on a daily basis, some of
which I use on an occasional basis. The iPhone still has a way to go to
catch up with Android devices in specific ways, though there is no
indication that Apple is interested in catching up.

John Hill

2024-10-30 08:23:07 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

No, I'm still lurking here. But I ignore trolls and only post if I have
something useful to contribute (which isn't often).

Or, of course, if I have a problem that I can't solve for myself.

Old John.

--
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

John Hill

2024-10-31 08:45:47 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Oh, dear. You seem to have stirred up all the name calling and similar rubbish
that contaminated this group.

Troll-free August seems to have carried on through September and the first bit
of October, but now it's in ruins.

Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Old John.

--
Mony a mickle maks a muckle.

Cameo

2024-10-31 08:57:25 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Oh, dear. You seem to have stirred up all the name calling and similar rubbish
that contaminated this group.
Troll-free August seems to have carried on through September and the first bit
of October, but now it's in ruins.
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?
Old John.

Hear, hear!

Alan Browne

2024-10-31 13:46:37 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.

Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.

But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

Cheers!

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Jolly Roger

2024-10-31 15:30:14 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Except none of them were truly troll-free, since Arlen made several
posts with lies about various things. Those trolls went uncorrected, but
they were trolls nonetheless. So what you guys seem to want is the polar
opposite of "troll-free" - you apparently just want trolls to be
unchecked and unhindered by the truth.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

badgolferman

2024-10-31 16:00:21 UTC

On 28 Oct 2024 at 22:18:08 GMT, "*Hemidactylus*"

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Except none of them were truly troll-free, since Arlen made several
posts with lies about various things. Those trolls went uncorrected,
but they were trolls nonetheless. So what you guys seem to want is
the polar opposite of "troll-free" - you apparently just want trolls
to be unchecked and unhindered by the truth.

You're right. Alan Baker was still on prowl.

Alan

2024-10-31 16:42:31 UTC

On 28 Oct 2024 at 22:18:08 GMT, "*Hemidactylus*"

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Except none of them were truly troll-free, since Arlen made several
posts with lies about various things. Those trolls went uncorrected,
but they were trolls nonetheless. So what you guys seem to want is
the polar opposite of "troll-free" - you apparently just want trolls
to be unchecked and unhindered by the truth.

You're right. Alan Baker was still on prowl.

YOU'RE TRYING TO CANCEL ME!!!!

Chris

2024-10-31 16:06:33 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked? Bickering with him serves no purpose.

Let's focus on genuine topics. However, it doesn't really seem possible as
even the simplest thing rapidly descends in name-calling. Just look at the
rcs thread.

Andrews

2024-10-31 16:51:21 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Except none of them were truly troll-free, since Arlen made several
posts with lies about various things. Those trolls went uncorrected, but
they were trolls nonetheless. So what you guys seem to want is the polar
opposite of "troll-free" - you apparently just want trolls to be
unchecked and unhindered by the truth.

Who cares if he goes unchecked? Bickering with him serves no purpose.
Let's focus on genuine topics. However, it doesn't really seem possible as
even the simplest thing rapidly descends in name-calling. Just look at the
rcs thread.

Do you see why I love Alan Brown's *BIG IDEA* more than you can imagine?
The truth about Apple products can be posted without zealots denying it.

Perfect.

Without you zealots denying every truth about Apple, this newsgroup is
elevated back to the level of a normal group, like comp.mobile.android is.

All you zealots... Please continue to NOT post to this Apple newsgroup.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-11-01 09:42:22 UTC

Who cares if he goes unchecked? Bickering with him serves no purpose.
Let's focus on genuine topics. However, it doesn't really seem possible as
even the simplest thing rapidly descends in name-calling. Just look at the
rcs thread.

Do you see why I love Alan Brown's *BIG IDEA* more than you can imagine?
The truth about Apple products can be posted without zealots denying it.
Perfect.
Without you zealots denying every truth about Apple, this newsgroup is
elevated back to the level of a normal group, like comp.mobile.android is.
All you zealots... Please continue to NOT post to this Apple newsgroup.

You are a brain dead sociopath. There is no need to deny what you claim
to be the truth. You always lie.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:39:12 UTC

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
You are a brain dead sociopath. There is no need to deny what you claim
to be the truth. You always lie.

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badgolferman

2024-10-31 21:47:00 UTC

Who cares about the truth?

“What is truth?” ~ Pontius Pilate

Alan

2024-10-31 23:50:37 UTC

Who cares about the truth?

“What is truth?” ~ Pontius Pilate

Spoken like a troll.

John Hill

2024-11-01 07:56:58 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

"The Earth is flat".
"No, it not for the following reasons…".
"It's obviously flat, because…".

Doesn't make any difference to its sphericity.

Old John.

Classic computing: Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want
them to do.
Modern computing: Computers do what they want to do, no matter what you tell
them to do.

Andrews

2024-11-01 16:26:48 UTC

Who cares about the truth?

"The Earth is flat".
"No, it not for the following reasons�K".
"It's obviously flat, because�K".

Uneducated people readily & strongly believe that gravity is a force.
Right?

But wait... Einstein hypothesized that it's not a force.
And even Newton thought that the action at a distance was preposterous.

Post by John Hill
Doesn't make any difference to its sphericity.

I live in mountainous boonies above the Silicon Valley & Monterey Bay
where, since I'm an octogenarian, I seem to fall down a lot lately.

So I studied why gravity is so immensely powerful given Einstein said it
wasn't a force at all but the earth expanding outward at 9.8m/s/s and
curving spacetime rushing inward at 11km/s - perfectly balancing out such
that the earth *becomes* a sphere (almost symmetric in sphericity).

My point is that the Apple trolls like Jolly Roger, nospam, Lewis, Alan
Baker, Alan Browne, Joerg Lorenz, Chris, Hemidactylus, et al., are Apple
trolls *because* they don't have the intelligence or education to know the
difference between what Apple marketing (cleverly) feeds them - and truth.

They just don't have the intelligence but that alone isn't what makes these
Apple trolls the deniers of facts that they are (as they probably all think
gravity is a force for example - simply because they are ignorant people).

Just as Alan Baker claims to know bimmers but he doesn't know the basics,
and just as he claims to teach racing but he knows nothing about curves,
these uneducated low-IQ Apple trolls all are to the left of the 1st DK
quartile.

In common vernacular, these Apple trolls are all to the left of Mount
Stupid because not only do they know nothing, but they think they're
geniuses (which is witnessed by them exclaiming they "found me!!!!" after I
posted scores of messages with the same photos I've been using for decades,
and all I did was add "s" to the moniker (which threw them off for weeks!).

You see, John Hill, I've established these Apple trolls all share common
traits, one of which is they're incredibly uneducated and of very low IQ.

But being stupid alone isn't what makes them an Apple troll, right?

What's different about these strange Apple trolls like nospam was, is they
defend everything Apple to the death - no matter what it is they defend.

If Apple doesn't have automatic call recording, they come up with inane
excuses for apologizing for why Apple doesn't have that feature.

Their lack of education and low IQ shows up in those absurd excuses, from
it being illegal to nobody needs it and nobody wants it, etc.

Notice these traits ALWAYS show up with the Apple trolls who are zealots:
1. They're incredibly *uneducated* because all own abnormally low IQs
2. Yet, they *believe* in everything Apple marketing feeds them to believe
3. So they *defend to the death* everything Apple - no matter the truth

There's only one more major trait of these Apple trolls that an intelligent
well educated person would instantly notice - which makes them *different*
from normal people who speak about the other common operating systems.

A. Windows users don't defend Microsoft to the death - they know the truth.
(And they *accept* that truth - without becoming a religious zealot.)
B. Android users don't defend Google to the death - they know the truth.'
(They also *accept* that truth - without becoming a religious zealot.)
C. Apple trolls defend everything Apple - to the death - no matter what.
(Why?)

After studying why these strange Apple trolls are so *different* from
normal people - and putting together how incredibly ignorant and uneducated
all of them are - I've realized they have been told their entire lives how
stupid they are. How worthless they are. How they can't fathom truth.

Yet Apple marketing *loves* these Apple trolls!

Apple marketing tells these Apple trolls everything that these Apple trolls
want to hear - about how great they are for choosing the Apple ecosystem.

Notice all the Apple trolls get their ego fed to them by Apple marketing.
Notice I don't feed their ego - so they hate me - with a passion.

But they *love* Apple Marketing because Apple tells them how great their
choice of ecosystem is. They *identify* with the clever Apple marketing.

This *identity* ego comes out in everything Alan Browne posts for example.
Just watch.

Alan

2024-11-01 17:20:30 UTC

Who cares about the truth?

"The Earth is flat".
"No, it not for the following reasons�K".
"It's obviously flat, because�K".

Uneducated people readily & strongly believe that gravity is a force.
Right?
But wait... Einstein hypothesized that it's not a force.
And even Newton thought that the action at a distance was preposterous.

Post by John Hill
Doesn't make any difference to its sphericity.

Einstein never said that what we experience as gravity was caused by the
Earth expanding outward.

Post by Andrews
My point is that the Apple trolls like Jolly Roger, nospam, Lewis, Alan
Baker, Alan Browne, Joerg Lorenz, Chris, Hemidactylus, et al., are Apple
trolls *because* they don't have the intelligence or education to know the
difference between what Apple marketing (cleverly) feeds them - and truth.
They just don't have the intelligence but that alone isn't what makes these
Apple trolls the deniers of facts that they are (as they probably all think
gravity is a force for example - simply because they are ignorant people).
Just as Alan Baker claims to know bimmers but he doesn't know the basics,
and just as he claims to teach racing but he knows nothing about curves,
these uneducated low-IQ Apple trolls all are to the left of the 1st DK
quartile.

I claim to teach road racing... ...because I do, in fact, teach road racing.

I started road racing in 2013 and was invited to join the Race Drivers
Committee of the Sports Car Club of BC after the 2016 season, and I've
been teaching every year since.

<https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2024-SCCBC-Driver-Training-June-9-2024/i-Fkd9344/buy>

That's me on the left with my fellow instructor, Paul Bunbury.

Chris

2024-11-01 09:09:13 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

It's irrelevant in this context.

Jolly Roger

2024-11-01 15:31:47 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

It's irrelevant in this context.

Truth is irrelevant.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:41:14 UTC

Post by Chris
Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

It's irrelevant in this context.

Truth is irrelevant.

Engaging trolls is fruitless where the truth is concerned.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan

2024-11-01 17:55:40 UTC

Post by Chris
Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

It's irrelevant in this context.

Truth is irrelevant.

Engaging trolls is fruitless where the truth is concerned.

I disagree.

If you let the wingnuts do all the talking, then others take their words
at face value.

Chris

2024-11-02 09:33:12 UTC

Post by Chris
Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

It's irrelevant in this context.

Truth is irrelevant.

Engaging trolls is fruitless where the truth is concerned.

I disagree.
If you let the wingnuts do all the talking, then others take their words
at face value.

There are no others, here.

Andrews

2024-11-02 16:01:33 UTC

Post by Chris
There are no others, here.

There are fundamentally only two types of people on this Apple newsgroup.

One type are those whose ego is tied up in what people think of Apple
(and who use only Apple products so they know nothing of the real world).

a. Those people revel in the long lines outside Apple stores
(because it affirms their decision to join the Apple clique)

b. They boast absurd concocted arguments touting iPhone resale value
(because it justifies Apple's ridiculously high cost of ownership)

c. They bask in Apple white papers replete with lovely technojargon
(because it makes them feel that the product is differentiated)

d. But most of all - they will do anything - lie, cheat, steal - whatever
even to the level of murder - to defend Apple's honor - to the death.

Unlike those fundamentalist religious zealot Apple trolls, the other type
on this newsgroup are just those people who happen to use Apple products.

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:33:06 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked? Bickering with him serves no purpose.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:37:11 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Who cares if he goes unchecked?

Who cares about the truth?

Fighting with a pig: You don't win. You get dirty. The pig likes it.

I apologize to all those fine pigs out there, because, of course, trolls
are worse.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

John Hill

2024-11-01 07:50:24 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Yes, that's pretty much the case.

There is absolutely no point trying to check or correct them and let's face it
what harm can they do? There is nobody here ia going to take any notice of
them.

Old John.

--
You're not an old dog until you can't learn new tricks.

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:32:45 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Let them post BS for it is clearly such. Filter 'em out and for that
matter filter out subjects gone wild.

"Troll free" really means:

_____________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do not |
/ O O\__ | feed the |
/ \ | Trolls |
/ \ \|_____________________|
/ _ \ \ ||
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | _||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | | --|
| | | |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ | ||
/ _ \\ | / `'
* / \_ /- | | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

*Hemidactylus*

2024-10-31 18:17:43 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

badgolferman

2024-10-31 19:01:45 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

Block everyone but yourself. Then your eyes won’t hurt reading people you
don’t like.

Alan

2024-10-31 19:12:28 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

Block everyone but yourself. Then your eyes won’t hurt reading people you
don’t like.

And you'll whine that that is "cancelling people!"

Andrews

2024-11-01 02:02:32 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

I agree with Hemidactylus - in fact - I think his suggestion is perfect.

In fact, it's even better if you Apple trolls do what nospam & Lewis did.

Completely disappear.

John Hill

2024-11-01 08:01:46 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

You are baying for the Moon. You will never get trolls to buy in; otherwise
they wouldn't be trolls.

Best let them vent and ignore it. No NOT feed them!

Old John.

--
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-11-01 09:50:02 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

You are baying for the Moon. You will never get trolls to buy in; otherwise
they wouldn't be trolls.

Post by John Hill
Best let them vent and ignore it.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:39:54 UTC

Post by John Hill
Best let them vent and ignore it.

Yet you replied to it in your previous post.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Andrews

2024-11-01 16:42:34 UTC

You will never get trolls to buy in; otherwise they wouldn't be trolls.

You are correct that the Apple trolls like Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, Chris,
Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Hemidactylus, nospam, Lewis, et al., will always
defend Apple to the death, no matter the truth - because... hmmm.. Why?

They'll always make inane excuses for why Apple has more zero-day exploits,
or why Apple didn't have call recording, or why Apple doesn't allow
interoperability, or why Apple products don't have basic hardware, or why
Apple always is chintzy on basics such as RAM & battery capacity, etc.

Why do the Apple trolls inundate this newsgroup with those inane apologies?

I know why.
Do you?

HINT: Message-ID: <vg2vg8$2huv$***@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17514&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17514>

Tom Elam

2024-11-02 20:27:24 UTC

You will never get trolls to buy in; otherwise they wouldn't be trolls.

You are correct that the Apple trolls like Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, Chris,
Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Hemidactylus, nospam, Lewis, et al., will always
defend Apple to the death, no matter the truth - because... hmmm.. Why?
They'll always make inane excuses for why Apple has more zero-day exploits,
or why Apple didn't have call recording, or why Apple doesn't allow
interoperability, or why Apple products don't have basic hardware, or why
Apple always is chintzy on basics such as RAM & battery capacity, etc.
Why do the Apple trolls inundate this newsgroup with those inane apologies?
I know why.
Do you?
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17514&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17514>

But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28

Explain that

Alan Browne

2024-11-02 21:17:40 UTC

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

Too many factors at play to make a black and white explanation.

A few contributing factors:

* Other than flagship Androids, the more common ones are cheaper overall
than the non flagship Apple phones.

* Carrier offerings. Three carriers here offer far more variety of
Androids than iPhones. I haven't dove into the discounts, but they may
be more attractive for Android.

* iPhone upgrade fatigue. It takes a bunch of years of iPhone model
upgrades before an upgrade looks worth it to most buyers. As an example
of comparison:

my iPhone 4: 4 years
my iPhone 6 Pro: 5 years
my iPhone 11 Pro: now at 5 years and I'll go at least 1, maybe 2 more
years with it.

My SO: Still on her iPhone 7 (7 years now) with no intention of changing
this year.

As to battery life: I changed the batt on the iPhone 6 Pro (Apple). No
sign of needing such for the iPhone 11, so far.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

sms

2024-11-02 22:37:59 UTC

On 11/2/2024 1:27 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-
owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?
ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

Here are some reasons that I can postulate:

1. Android device makers tend to introduce new features at a more rapid
pace than Apple does for the iPhone. Apple meters out new features
slowly to encourage updates but many of those features are not
sufficiently attractive to warrant an upgrade.

2. Apple removes features from their devices causing many iPhone owners
to delay upgrades because they don't want to lose features.
a)What are the best selling iPhones of all time? The 6/6+ and
6s/6s+, the last two models that had a headphone jack.

b) A lot of U.S. iPhone users have stuck with the 13/13 Pro because
they don't want to lose the physical SIM card slot.

3. iPhones are more expensive than comparable Android phones so the
Android owner is more willing to spend the money on an upgrade.

4. Battery replacement on iPhones is relatively inexpensive and widely
available and you get a recently manufactured battery, not NOS (new old
stock) that has deteriorated.

5. iPhone users care less about features like higher-quality music
playback while Android users want the latest aptX or LDAC codec. Since
Airpods don't support these codec anyway, there's no reason to worry
about the phone having that codec.

6. Carriers offer better upgrade deals on Android devices than iOS
devices. You can often get a "free" Android phone, even on prepaid
carriers, while iPhones have subsidy but much lower.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-11-03 02:20:28 UTC

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-
owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?
ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

(Crap snipped)

You are a speculating idiot and Troll not delivering the smallest piece
of evidence for anything.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

*Hemidactylus*

2024-11-03 02:26:32 UTC

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-
owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?
ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

(Crap snipped)
You are a speculating idiot and Troll not delivering the smallest piece
of evidence for anything.

Andrews

2024-11-03 03:36:00 UTC

What I find interesting is how the Apple trolls like Hemidactylus, Joerg,
Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Jolly Roger, et. al are *desperate* to find
something (anything!) they can say is better on an iPhone than Android.

These Apple trolls scour the Internet to find something to be proud of.
Why?

Because their ego is wrapped up in their choice of paying through the nose.
They need to justify horrendous costs of Apple products (& lack of value).

So what do they pick to justify that they "belong" to a crowd of people who
willingly pay twice what the iPhone is actually worth & then hold on to it?

This...
*It's official: Android phone owners upgrade more often than iPhone users*
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/>

Which is based on this...
*iPhone Owners Hold on to Their Phones Longer than Android Owners*
<https://cirpapple.substack.com/p/iphone-owners-hold-on-to-their-phones>

HINT: If I paid twice what an iPhone was worth & got half the value, I'd
not want to buy another one all that soon either - so I'm with you guys.

Tom Elam

2024-11-03 13:18:59 UTC

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-
owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?
ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

1. Android device makers tend to introduce new features at a more rapid
pace than Apple does for the iPhone. Apple meters out new features
slowly to encourage updates but many of those features are not
sufficiently attractive to warrant an upgrade.
2. Apple removes features from their devices causing many iPhone owners
to delay upgrades because they don't want to lose features.
a)What are the best selling iPhones of all time? The 6/6+ and
6s/6s+, the last two models that had a headphone jack.
b) A lot of U.S. iPhone users have stuck with the 13/13 Pro because
they don't want to lose the physical SIM card slot.
3. iPhones are more expensive than comparable Android phones so the
Android owner is more willing to spend the money on an upgrade.
4. Battery replacement on iPhones is relatively inexpensive and widely
available and you get a recently manufactured battery, not NOS (new old
stock) that has deteriorated.
5. iPhone users care less about features like higher-quality music
playback while Android users want the latest aptX or LDAC codec. Since
Airpods don't support these codec anyway, there's no reason to worry
about the phone having that codec.
6. Carriers offer better upgrade deals on Android devices than iOS
devices. You can often get a "free" Android phone, even on prepaid
carriers, while iPhones have subsidy but much lower.

As a former long-time Android phone and tablet user and defender I can
postulate too. Android feature roll-outs and OS versions happened
slowly, if at all, and were very uneven across device brands. I never
got more than one OS version update on the many HTC, Moto and Samsung
devices I owned. I had to upgrade to get the latest, and even then new
phones often did not have the latest OS installed.

I have had to replace a battery on my iPhone 14. That was because I
tried wireless charging in the car that overheated the phone. The
replacement was easy. I took it to the local Apple Store and they had it
back to me in 2 hours. That was 6 months ago and battery life is still
100%. The cost? $0. AppleCare+ took care of it. No questions asked. I
have owned iPhones and iPads since the iPhone 6s era. That's the only
battery replaced spanning 8 years and 6s, SE and 14 Pro versions.

I'll never go back. There is no Android Store 15 minutes away. My phone
and tablet get annual OS updates on the day they are released, and
regular feature and security updates too that.

Andrews

2024-11-03 15:14:10 UTC

Post by Tom Elam
As a former long-time Android phone and tablet user and defender I can
postulate too. Android feature roll-outs and OS versions happened
slowly, if at all, and were very uneven across device brands. I never
got more than one OS version update on the many HTC, Moto and Samsung
devices I owned. I had to upgrade to get the latest, and even then new
phones often did not have the latest OS installed.]

FACTS. Not propaganda please.

You are wrong. More to the point, your data is old. It's no longer valid.
You're five to ten years behind in all your data - so you're just wrong.

If you used Android only two or three years ago, you won't recognize
Android of today because that's how much has changed in a short time.

a. The iPhone has far more bugs than Android now (and far more exploits!).
b. The iPhone has far shorter operating system support than Android now.
c. With respect to fragmentation, even that is very old data.

More Samsung devices alone are sold than iPhones are, where the
"fragmentation" you decry doesn't exist if you stick with Pixels &
Samsungs.

To complain that other brands provide valuable choices isn't really a fair
complaint because you don't get ANY of those choices with Apple.

And Apple's puny five years of promised supprot pales in comparison to the
Samsung and Pixel promise of seven years of full hotfix support.

Remember, of all common consumer operating systems, Apple is the only one
with support so bad they only fully support a single release at a time.

Those are facts. Modern facts. Not facts from ten years ago.
Those are facts from today.

You're welcome to form a strong opinion based on old data, but just say
that your data doesn't take into account the reality of today's devices.

Post by Tom Elam
I have had to replace a battery on my iPhone 14. That was because I
tried wireless charging in the car that overheated the phone. The
replacement was easy. I took it to the local Apple Store and they had it
back to me in 2 hours.

That's absurd. My Android debuted around the time of the iPhone 12, and
it's still going strong. But it has a modern-sized battery.

No iPhone in the world has a batter as big as the one in my free phone.
That's the main reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often.

Last we checked Apple replaces almost fifteen million batteries in the USA
alone per year. Think about that. It's huge. Apple batteries are crap.

Not a single iPhone battery is even close in capacity to that of my free
Android phone (which only retailed for about two hundred dollars MSRP).

Post by Tom Elam
That was 6 months ago and battery life is still
100%. The cost? $0. AppleCare+ took care of it.

Remember I said that the Apple trolls are ignorant? Remember?
Guess what? How did you get that AppleCare+ without paying for it?

Post by Tom Elam
No questions asked.

I have a question for you.

Since almost nobody on Android pays for any extra warranty, why do most
Apple iPhone owners pay for AppleCare+ when it's never needed?

Think about that.

Apple owners are so terrified of the horrendous repair costs, that they'll
pay any amount of subscription fees just to not have to worry about them.

Post by Tom Elam
have owned iPhones and iPads since the iPhone 6s era. That's the only
battery replaced spanning 8 years and 6s, SE and 14 Pro versions.

The Apple iPads actually have decently sized batteries as it's only the
iPhone that uses comically cheap chintzy batteries in terms of capacity.

Every time you replace a battery (and millions are replaced every year!),
Apple is laughing at you AppleCare+ owners all the way to the bank.

Post by Tom Elam
I'll never go back. There is no Android Store 15 minutes away. My phone
and tablet get annual OS updates on the day they are released, and
regular feature and security updates too that.

The one thing you're right about is that there is no such thing as an
"Android Store", which nobody on Android needs - but iPhone owners do.

I have plenty of Apple devices and when I take them to the Genius Bar, the
"Genius" at the Apple Store asks me what a Decibel is when I tell him that
I teste the iPhone side-by-side with my free Samsung & the Wi-Fi stinks.

These "Genius" Bar employees don't know how things work in the real world
as you can't test Wi-Fi without knowing what a Decibel means.

All the Genius Bar employees do is test the phone for basic stuff (like
water penetration) and recommend a new iPhone if it fails their tests.

Remember, Apple lost the lawsuits for exactly that reason.

Even Apple didn't tell its Genius Bar employees that they purposefully
lowered the life of the iPhone (which they paid a criminal fine for!).

Still... the free Apple Store Genius Bar (and free classes) are a nice
touch because Apple knows owners are petrified by the complexity of tech.

Chris

2024-11-03 17:33:11 UTC

Post by sms
<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
But Android owners upgrade phones more often than iPhone owners.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/it-s-official-android-phone-
owners-upgrade-more-often-than-iphone-users/ar-AA1seZ2t?
ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=acd4d3617ea848eb984eda2761425876&ei=28
Explain that

The SE (1st gen) was the last model launched with a headphone jack. Plus
was significantly cheaper than either the 6 or 6s. So why didn't it have
the highest sales figures?

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:38:36 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

You are baying for the Moon. You will never get trolls to buy in;

Chris was pointing that at regulars who reply to troll - worst try to
"correct" them. No point.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan Browne

2024-11-01 17:33:29 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see for recent posts are from the nymshifting troll.

Troll free August worked well in August. Sept ... not so much.
Oct - pretty good - at least from my seat.
But always room for improvement.

Post by John Hill
Perhaps we could try again with a troll-free November and hope that it at
least carries on over Christmas? Good will to all men and all that?

Beyond Christmas would be my hope.

To make it a success we need complete buy-in from all posters here.

Aye, there's the rub.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

sms

2024-11-01 13:28:54 UTC