Discussion:
Apple’s Custom 5G Modem Will Be An All-In-One Connectivity Solution
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badgolferman
2024-10-06 11:09:10 UTC
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The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways.
For one, the device will rock an OLED panel, which means that it will
finally shift Apple from LCD displays to OLED panels on the iPhone.
Additionally, it will also be the first device to incorporate the company's
first custom 5G modem. A new report claims that the iPhone SE 4 will house
Apple's latest A18 chip, custom 5G modem, and much more at launch early
next year.

We have previously covered that Apple plans to bring its custom 5G modem to
the entire iPhone lineup, starting with the SE 4. Now, 9to5mac has
corroborated the same information, suggesting that the company's custom 5G
modem will house WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS capabilities. Additionally, the
device is also slated to launch with the new A18 chip, which was introduced
with the new iPhone 16 models.

As mentioned, Apple has been working on its custom 5G modems for years, and
next year, it could finally see fit to begin incorporating the modem into
its different product lineup. We have previously covered that the company's
custom modem will offer subpar performance compared to the current versions
from Qualcomm, and it remains to be seen how the Cupertino giant will
compensate for the loss. However, there will be some benefits as well, as
it will be an all-in-one solution, allowing the chip also to house
Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS capabilities.

https://wccftech.com/iphone-se-4-to-feature-apples-custom-5g-modem-and-a18-chip/
Robert DiNizio
2024-10-08 00:02:06 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
We have previously covered that the company's
custom modem will offer subpar performance compared to the current versions
from Qualcomm, and it remains to be seen how the Cupertino giant will
compensate for the loss.
why bother?
Alan
2024-10-08 00:27:27 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways.
For one, the device will rock an OLED panel, which means that it will
finally shift Apple from LCD displays to OLED panels on the iPhone.
Additionally, it will also be the first device to incorporate the company's
first custom 5G modem. A new report claims that the iPhone SE 4 will house
Apple's latest A18 chip, custom 5G modem, and much more at launch early
next year.
We have previously covered that Apple plans to bring its custom 5G modem to
the entire iPhone lineup, starting with the SE 4. Now, 9to5mac has
corroborated the same information, suggesting that the company's custom 5G
modem will house WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS capabilities. Additionally, the
device is also slated to launch with the new A18 chip, which was introduced
with the new iPhone 16 models.
As mentioned, Apple has been working on its custom 5G modems for years, and
next year, it could finally see fit to begin incorporating the modem into
its different product lineup. We have previously covered that the company's
custom modem will offer subpar performance compared to the current versions
from Qualcomm, and it remains to be seen how the Cupertino giant will
compensate for the loss. However, there will be some benefits as well, as
it will be an all-in-one solution, allowing the chip also to house
Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS capabilities.
https://wccftech.com/iphone-se-4-to-feature-apples-custom-5g-modem-and-a18-chip/
How can they have "previously covered" the performance of something that
exists only in Apple's labs?

Did you read the article they linked where they made their claim
initially? I did.

They offer literally no substantiation for their claim.

All they offer is a link to an article by Mark Gurman that doesn't even
claim the performance will be "sub-par".

But that Gurman article does say one thing that he actually CAN know
something about:

'The company’s chip designers are widely seen as the best in the
industry, helping Apple products stand out with speed and battery
efficiency. The team started with the A4 chip in the original iPad and
now has technology in every major Apple device. It also helped customize
suppliers’ components, such as displays and batteries.'
Jolly Roger
2024-10-08 17:07:44 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many
ways. For one, the device will rock an OLED panel, which means that
it will finally shift Apple from LCD displays to OLED panels on the
iPhone. Additionally, it will also be the first device to
incorporate the company's first custom 5G modem. A new report claims
that the iPhone SE 4 will house Apple's latest A18 chip, custom 5G
modem, and much more at launch early next year.
We have previously covered that Apple plans to bring its custom 5G
modem to the entire iPhone lineup, starting with the SE 4. Now,
9to5mac has corroborated the same information, suggesting that the
company's custom 5G modem will house WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS
capabilities. Additionally, the device is also slated to launch with
the new A18 chip, which was introduced with the new iPhone 16 models.
As mentioned, Apple has been working on its custom 5G modems for
years, and next year, it could finally see fit to begin incorporating
the modem into its different product lineup. We have previously
covered that the company's custom modem will offer subpar performance
compared to the current versions from Qualcomm, and it remains to be
seen how the Cupertino giant will compensate for the loss. However,
there will be some benefits as well, as it will be an all-in-one
solution, allowing the chip also to house Bluetooth, WiFi, and GPS
capabilities.
https://wccftech.com/iphone-se-4-to-feature-apples-custom-5g-modem-and-a18-chip/
How can they have "previously covered" the performance of something
that exists only in Apple's labs?
They can't.
Post by Alan
Did you read the article they linked where they made their claim
initially? I did.
They offer literally no substantiation for their claim.
It's Bloomberg. The same Bloomberg that claimed there were tiny chips
smaller than grains of rice on SuperMicro server motherboards that were
magically able to transmit hidden data from the servers to China without
anyone being able to detect them - that was debunked by several
different governments, tons of SuperMicro customers, and of course
SuperMicro themselves after extensive investigation and zero
corroboration by Bloomberg. That rag is a joke. Relying on them as a
source without bothering to verify the claim makes WCCFTech a joke - not
to mention badgolferman and Arlen
Post by Alan
All they offer is a link to an article by Mark Gurman that doesn't
even claim the performance will be "sub-par".
But that Gurman article does say one thing that he actually CAN know
'The company’s chip designers are widely seen as the best in the
industry, helping Apple products stand out with speed and battery
efficiency. The team started with the A4 chip in the original iPad and
now has technology in every major Apple device. It also helped
customize suppliers’ components, such as displays and batteries.
As usual, this "subpar performance" is a typical baseless claim that
trolls latch onto because: APPLE BAD. Nothing more. And you'll be
labeled an "Apple religious zealot" by the anti-Applefor pointing this
out.
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badgolferman
2024-10-08 19:46:54 UTC
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Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
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Jolly Roger
2024-10-08 20:07:53 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
Bloomberg).
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badgolferman
2024-10-08 20:40:48 UTC
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Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there
blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup
its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Alan
2024-10-08 21:52:12 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there
blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup
its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.

So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not basis
in even rumour.
Jolly Roger
2024-10-08 22:22:42 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
"subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
(which is very typical of Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
basis in even rumour.
BINGO
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badgolferman
2024-10-08 22:31:31 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
"subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
(which is very typical of Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
basis in even rumour.
BINGO
Your dishonesty is so blatant. Why can’t you just have a normal
conversation without making up lies about me?
Alan
2024-10-08 23:10:54 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
"subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
(which is very typical of Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
basis in even rumour.
BINGO
Your dishonesty is so blatant. Why can’t you just have a normal
conversation without making up lies about me?
What lie?

Did you copy and paste this:

"We have previously covered that the company's custom modem will offer
subpar performance compared to the current versions from Qualcomm"?

Yes or no.

Was there any support for that assertion anywhere in the chain of
articles that you can follow from your quoted article?

Yes or no.
Jolly Roger
2024-10-08 23:35:58 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words
"subpar performance" link to another WCCFTech article that
references Bloomberg as the source of this claim. And if you follow
that trail of articles, you see that the claim of supposed "subpar
performance" is based on speculation rather than hard evidence
(which is very typical of Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in
there blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple
to recoup its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not
basis in even rumour.
BINGO
Your dishonesty is so blatant. Why can’t you just have a normal
conversation without making up lies about me?
What lie?
"We have previously covered that the company's custom modem will offer
subpar performance compared to the current versions from Qualcomm"?
Yes or no.
Was there any support for that assertion anywhere in the chain of
articles that you can follow from your quoted article?
Yes or no.
Every accusation is a confession. They accuse the rest of us of lying
when they are the ones who lie and post disinformation. They accuse us
of being mean when we endure them calling us names like "low IQ" and
"children" on a constant basis. They accuse us of being petty when they
post trolls about Apple daring to make a YELLOW IPHONE and so on. They
accuse us of being "Apple religious zealots" when they are the biggest
religious zealots here. It's all projection, 24/7 for them.
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badgolferman
2024-10-08 22:29:54 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there
blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup
its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not basis
in even rumour.
No. I posted a message about this:

Apple’s Custom 5G Modem Will Be An All-In-One Connectivity Solution
Alan
2024-10-08 23:11:36 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Alan
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
Post by badgolferman
Post by Jolly Roger
It's Bloomberg.
Where did you see this? The only outside link I see is 9to5mac.
Interesting, because it's right there in the article. The words "subpar
performance" link to another WCCFTech article that references Bloomberg
as the source of this claim. And if you follow that trail of articles,
you see that the claim of supposed "subpar performance" is based on
speculation rather than hard evidence (which is very typical of
Bloomberg).
Are you talking about this article? There’s really not anything in there
blasting Apple. It only says it will take a long time for Apple to recoup
its expenses that it already pays to Qualcomm in royalties.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-18/why-is-apple-building-own-modem-company-plays-long-game-in-dropping-qualcomm-lzzk8616
Right.
So you posted a quote about supposed "subpar performance" with not basis
in even rumour.
Apple’s Custom 5G Modem Will Be An All-In-One Connectivity Solution
You chose what you wanted to post.

You chose to include bullshit.

Do better.
sms
2024-10-17 20:36:30 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways.
<snip>

Well technically it's not "all-in-one," though I guess for connectivity
only it is.

Qualcomm (Snapdragon), Mediatek (Dimensity), and Samsung (Exynos) have
been shipping SOCs with the processor, the modem, and all the radios on
a single chip. This reduces costs, saves space on the board, and
increases system speed.

Still, a working modem is the first step in Apple eventually doing a
Bionic chip with an integrated modem.

Even though Apple's modem won't be as fast or as capable as a Qualcomm
modem, it will likely be good enough, just as the Intel modem was good
enough in the pre-5G days.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
badgolferman
2024-10-18 01:09:00 UTC
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Post by sms
Post by badgolferman
The iPhone SE 4 launch will mark a major milestone for Apple in many ways.
<snip>
Well technically it's not "all-in-one," though I guess for connectivity
only it is.
Qualcomm (Snapdragon), Mediatek (Dimensity), and Samsung (Exynos) have
been shipping SOCs with the processor, the modem, and all the radios on
a single chip. This reduces costs, saves space on the board, and
increases system speed.
Still, a working modem is the first step in Apple eventually doing a
Bionic chip with an integrated modem.
Even though Apple's modem won't be as fast or as capable as a Qualcomm
modem, it will likely be good enough, just as the Intel modem was good
enough in the pre-5G days.
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
sms
2024-10-18 03:47:13 UTC
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On 10/17/2024 6:09 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea what he
approves or does not approve.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Jörg Lorenz
2024-10-18 12:05:17 UTC
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Post by sms
<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea what he
approves or does not approve.
And *you* are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
because I'm servicing my filter sets.
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"De gustibus non est disputandum."
badgolferman
2024-10-18 12:30:02 UTC
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Post by sms
<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea
what he approves or does not approve.
And you are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
because I'm servicing my filter sets.
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
sms
2024-10-18 14:03:29 UTC
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On 10/18/2024 5:30 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
The goal is not to control anyone, they can post whatever they want.

There are so many posters that add no value to a newsgroup, or that are
pathological liars, that to have those posts filling up the screen and
having to scroll through them to find anything of value, is a waste of time.

Yes, if someone follows up to someone in the filter list then I'd still
see their reply, but the reality is often that filtered people are all
only replying to each other.

When a long off-topic thread starts up, I can filter by subject.

I've build up Thunderbird filter lists over many years and I transfer
the profile to new computers. I also share it to help others clean up
their newsgroups.

You can see my shared filter list for this group at
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WPGXgOjUHPDwWzFQ444zMfvciUfFLTsC6p7vk5IuPmE>
badgolferman
2024-10-18 15:34:29 UTC
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Post by sms
<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
The goal is not to control anyone, they can post whatever they want.
There are so many posters that add no value to a newsgroup, or that are
pathological liars, that to have those posts filling up the screen and
having to scroll through them to find anything of value, is a waste of time.
Yes, if someone follows up to someone in the filter list then I'd still
see their reply, but the reality is often that filtered people are all
only replying to each other.
When a long off-topic thread starts up, I can filter by subject.
I've build up Thunderbird filter lists over many years and I transfer
the profile to new computers. I also share it to help others clean up
their newsgroups.
You can see my shared filter list for this group at
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WPGXgOjUHPDwWzFQ444zMfvciUfFLTsC6p7vk5IuPmE>
You can delete all those and start again. 90% of them aren’t here anymore.
sms
2024-10-18 15:50:43 UTC
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On 10/18/2024 8:34 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>
Post by badgolferman
You can delete all those and start again. 90% of them aren’t here anymore.
True, but I don't know when they've left. It doesn't hurt anything to
leave them there.
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Bernd Froehlich
2024-10-20 09:31:39 UTC
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Post by sms
True, but I don't know when they've left. It doesn't hurt anything to
leave them there.
In Usenapp you can see when a filter was last used, so I clear those out
that haven´t been used for a year or more.

I filter both trolls and trollfeeders.
Once in a while I let some of the trollfeeders out because they sometimes
give valuable info.
Most of the time they go back to beeing filtered soon after though, because
they still can´t stop to feed the trolls, so the signal-noise-ratio is too
low to be of any value.

Your Name
2024-10-18 20:36:03 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by sms
<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea
what he approves or does not approve.
And you are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
because I'm servicing my filter sets.
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
At least that way you'd get some sensible and intelligent conversation. :-p
Your Name
2024-10-18 21:17:40 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
Post by sms
<snip>
Post by badgolferman
Are you sure your message is approved by Jolly Roger?
LOL, I've had him filtered out for a long time so I have no idea
what he approves or does not approve.
And you are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
because I'm servicing my filter sets.
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
At least that way you'd get some sensible and intelligent conversation. :-p
Yep, you're right there. ;-)
Jörg Lorenz
2024-10-18 23:50:49 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
And you are in everyone's killfilter anyway. I can see you only
because I'm servicing my filter sets.
Killfiles are only good for pretending you have control over someone
else. You will still see their messages in someone else's reply.
Might as well killfile everyone but yourself!
No. You do not understand how a killfile with suppression of subthreads
in TB work at all.
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