iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown

Post by Andrew
<https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/27/ifixit-iphone-16-pro-teardown-new-
battery-camera-control-compromise-much-more-repairable/>
Apple is still the only one using such laughably puny el cheapo batteries,
but they're encased in metal now, and they removed the 5G mmWave antennae
to create space for the Camera Control button (which iFixit considered a
fair loss of the 5G antenna traded for the gain of the camera button).

Apple's batteries seem to work fine...

'The middle child of this year’s iPhones, the iPhone 16 Pro lasted 14
hours and 7 minutes on a single charge.'

<https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/iphones/iphone-16-battery-life-results-are-in-and-we-can-hardly-believe-our-eyes#section-iphone-16-pro-battery-life>

How many phones best that life in their testing?

<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/smartphones-best-battery-life,review-2857.html>

Not many.

:-)

Jolly Roger

2024-09-28 21:18:44 UTC

Apple's batteries seem to work fine...
'The middle child of this year’s iPhones, the iPhone 16 Pro lasted 14
hours and 7 minutes on a single charge.'
<https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/iphones/iphone-16-battery-life-results-are-in-and-we-can-hardly-believe-our-eyes#section-iphone-16-pro-battery-life>
How many phones best that life in their testing?
<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/smartphones-best-battery-life,review-2857.html>
Not many.
:-)

Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny el
cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and over
by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that Apple's
batteries are complete shit! How can this be?

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Andrew

2024-09-29 23:04:42 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny el
cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and over
by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that Apple's
batteries are complete shit! How can this be?

What none of the zealots understand is basic math, chemistry and physics,
which the Apple zealots repeatedly claim doesn't apply to Apple products.

According to the zealots, basic math & physics doesn't apply to Apple
batteries, which last forever (they never die in decades of use).

To ignore lifetime (which is measured in years, lest they keep talking
about hours alone) and to ignore that the battery capacity is a key
determinant of that lifetime (where capacity is measured in amp hours),
is how I can tell these zealots are claiming Apple batteries last forever.

They don't.
They're just batteries.

Apple batteries follow all the laws of physics that other batteries follow.
And the capacity is a critical determinant of the number of charge cycles.

Notice these Apple zealots only talk about hours, instead of charge cycles?
That's because they're claiming Apple batteries = infinite charge cycles.

Anyone who talks only of hours of life without mentioning charge cycles, is
claiming Apple batteries last forever since charge cycles don't matter.

They do.

Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is meaningless.

It's telling, actually, that both Apple slick advertisements and Apple
zealots ignore that a fundamental determinant of charge cycles is capacity.

And iPhone batteries have the worst capacity of similarly priced phones.

Apple advertises an efficiency that is measured at 1 or 2 percent, which is
great, but a couple of percent can't offset a 200% decrease in capacity.

That's just basic physics.
The same basic physics that the zealots claim doesn't ever apply to Apple.

Alan

2024-09-29 23:39:10 UTC

What none of the zealots understand is basic math, chemistry and physics,
which the Apple zealots repeatedly claim doesn't apply to Apple products.
According to the zealots, basic math & physics doesn't apply to Apple
batteries, which last forever (they never die in decades of use).
To ignore lifetime (which is measured in years, lest they keep talking
about hours alone) and to ignore that the battery capacity is a key
determinant of that lifetime (where capacity is measured in amp hours),
is how I can tell these zealots are claiming Apple batteries last forever.
They don't.
They're just batteries.
Apple batteries follow all the laws of physics that other batteries follow.
And the capacity is a critical determinant of the number of charge cycles.
Notice these Apple zealots only talk about hours, instead of charge cycles?
That's because they're claiming Apple batteries = infinite charge cycles.
Anyone who talks only of hours of life without mentioning charge cycles, is
claiming Apple batteries last forever since charge cycles don't matter.
They do.
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is meaningless.
It's telling, actually, that both Apple slick advertisements and Apple
zealots ignore that a fundamental determinant of charge cycles is capacity.
And iPhone batteries have the worst capacity of similarly priced phones.
Apple advertises an efficiency that is measured at 1 or 2 percent, which is
great, but a couple of percent can't offset a 200% decrease in capacity.
That's just basic physics.
The same basic physics that the zealots claim doesn't ever apply to Apple.

And charge cycles depend entirely on battery life per cycle.

So the phones that have the longest lasting batteries have the fewest
charge cycles in any given time period.

Jolly Roger

2024-09-30 02:00:38 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Huh... Only a dozen non-Apple phones outlast Apple's "laughably puny
el cheapo battery" in the iPhone 16 Pro? But we've been told over and
over by Arlen and his little anti-Apple trollboi gang of losers that
Apple's batteries are complete shit! How can this be?

Anyone who talks only of hours of life without mentioning charge
cycles, is claiming Apple batteries last forever since charge cycles
don't matter.
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.

And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles, little Arlen. You just
can't keep your bullshit story straight, can you?

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Andrew

2024-09-30 13:29:17 UTC

Post by Andrew
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.

And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles

The problem with you zealots is you don't understand basic math.
Fewer cycles don't matter if the battery can't handle as many cycles.

There's a reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often, JR.
Apple iPhones start with el cheapo laughably puny substandard batteries.

And there's a reason the EU forced Apple to disclose the battery life too.
Notice how pitifully short that disclosed Apple iPhone battery life is.

Why do you think Apple's disclosures shows pitifully few charge cycles?
The most critical determinant of overall battery life, is initial capacity.

How long a battery lasts per day is DIFFERENT than the battery's lifetime
because any given battery has a DIFFERENT number of charge cycles in it.

None of your zealot arguments takes into account Apple's deplorable lack of
batteries being able to handle the charge cycles that Android batteries do.

Remember, nobody replaces more batteries yearly than does Apple.
The REASON for Apple's deplorable lack of charge cycles is the capacity.

What nospam used to claim was Apple's well advertised "vaunted efficiency".

However, Apple's admirable 1% to 2% increase in efficiency can never make
up for a 200% decrease in battery capacity, no matter what math you use.

The most critical determinant of overall battery life, is initial capacity.
No amount of slick Apple MARKETING can overcome its lack of charge cycles.

Jolly Roger

2024-09-30 14:53:51 UTC

Post by Andrew
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.

And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles

The problem with you zealots is you don't understand basic math.

Projection, and ad hominem.

Post by Andrew
Fewer cycles don't matter

Nonsense.

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Andrew

2024-09-30 20:46:39 UTC

Post by Andrew
Fewer cycles don't matter

Nonsense.

Let's assume you own the mathematical brain of a normal adult, shall we?
The most critical determinant of overall battery life, is initial capacity.

Since you Apple zealots can't handle two-digit math, I'm going to bring
things down to your level to give you an example why the "daily life"
(hours) is meaningless in terms of predicting the "overall life" (years).

Take the example of a battery that can last for, oh, let's say 1 week.
Wow. That's a great battery, right? It's an Apple battery you say. Good.

But since it's an Apple battery, say, oh, it only lasts for 5 charge
cycles. Notice how long the battery lasts given the lack of charge cycles.

Within half a year (or so), that battery will be dead forever.
Because of the lack of charge cycles (due to Apple's poor design).

Yet notice, the advertisements say it lasts for a week on one charge!
*The iPhone lasts the LONGEST of all batteries - one whole week!*

And yet, that "great" Apple iPhone battery fails within six months!
Why?

Because the length of time it lasts on one charge is NOT what determines
the overall battery life - which is something you zealots can't understand.

No amount of slick MARKETING can overcome iPhone lack of charge cycles.

That you think daily life means long life, just shows that you don't
understand even the most basic of the simplest things about batteries.

Jolly Roger

2024-09-30 23:54:13 UTC

Post by Andrew
Fewer cycles don't matter

Nonsense.

[Ad hominem and bullshit claims rightfully ignored]
No amount of slick MARKETING can overcome iPhone lack of charge cycles.

There is no "lack of charge cycles", and that's a nonsensical phrase on
its own. As usual, you're chock full of bullshit.

you don't understand even the most basic of the simplest things about
batteries.

More projection.

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Andrew

2024-10-01 00:08:31 UTC

Post by Andrew
No amount of slick MARKETING can overcome iPhone lack of charge cycles.

As usual, you're chock full of bullshit.

Even though you acted like a child, Jolly Roger, I'm going to respond to
you as if you own the brain of an actual adult... is that OK with you?

We discussed this in gory detail, so I will just remind you Apple zealots
that no iPhone older than the iPhone 15 will be allowed to be sold in the
EU specifically because Apple cannot meet the EU's minimum battery life.

Don't you wonder why Apple suddenly increased the number of charge cycles
that the iPhone 15 could sustain before dropping below 80% Jolly Roger?

Apple was given yeas of warning by the EU that it was time to end this
charade of Apple providing customers with substandard el cheapo batteries.

Even now, with the iPhone 16 barely meeting EU *minimum* battery life
standards, there are many Android phones which *DOUBLE* the minimum life.

Think about that when you falsely claim Apple products don't need to follow
the laws of physics in that the only thing, you think, that matters, is
daily life (where battery capacity, in your head, makes no difference).

It does.

The major determinant of battery life is the original charge capacity.
A secondary determinant of battery life is the charge cycles to 80%.
And only a minor third determinant is the daily battery life in hours.

You Apple zealots can't fathom anything stated above because you *hate*
that almost every iPhone in use today miserably fails EU minimum standards,
while almost every Android (if not every Android) exceeds those standards.

Jolly Roger

2024-10-01 15:32:30 UTC

Post by Andrew
No amount of slick MARKETING can overcome iPhone lack of charge cycles.

As usual, you're chock full of bullshit.

Even though you acted like a child, Jolly Roger, I'm going to respond to
you as if you own the brain of an actual adult... is that OK with you?
Think about that when you falsely claim Apple products don't need to follow
the laws of physics

Actual adults know I said no such thing, little Arlen. Ironic that you
like like a child while calling everyone else a child.

Post by Andrew
the only thing, you think, that matters, is daily life

The fact is runtime is what matters to most people, little Arlen. If
their phone runs for 14+ hours on a charge there is no "problem". You're
desperately trying to manufacture one, because: troll. But your little
troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman says so. You're such a
loser that you literally spend all day every day in the Apple news
groups slinging weak-ass trolls around, insulting everyone else,and
beating your chest. You're just a pathetic old loser.

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badgolferman

2024-10-01 16:40:22 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
But your little
troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman says so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time. I
said no such thing, and didn't even agree or disagree with Arlen. All
I did was relate my experience by comparing my current iPhone to my
previous iPhones. I have no frame of reference for Android phones and
whether their lasting power is better.

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Andrew

2024-10-01 23:13:37 UTC

Post by badgolferman
I have no frame of reference for Android phones and
whether their lasting power is better.

Hi badgolferman,

I explain things differently to you, where all I want you to know is
*every* iPhone prior to the iPhone 15 miserably fails EU's minimum life.

Every single iPhone.

That's just a fact.

Actually, if we want to quibble, and since I'm well aware of the details,
the fact is Apple can only prove that the iPhone 15 and up meet the spec.

So the zealots, who are completely ignorant of the spec, as you know, will
claim that Apple just didn't feel like publicizing they met the spec
because, you know, battery life is "not needed" & "not wanted" after all.

With respect to your "frame of reference for Android, not only do almost
all Android phones meet the EU's minimum standard for battery life, but
many more than *DOUBLE* the EU's minimum standard for battery life.

To dig even deeper into the understanding of battery chemistry, it's not
that Android phones are explicitly designed to last longer than iPhones.

It's just that Android phones last longer than iPhones because they start
with bigger batteries - and - as I explained many times prior - the bigger
batter is the primary determinant of overall battery life.

Using low-digit numbers in my example (for the iKooks to do the math in
their heads), it doesn't matter if a phone can last for 100 hours if it
drops to below 80 percent after 5 charge cycles.

The point being that how long a phone last in a single use when new is not
the determinant of how long a phone lasts after years of use, badgolferman.

Remember batterygate?

Alan

2024-10-02 01:38:55 UTC

I have no frame of reference for Android phones and
whether their lasting power is better.

Hi badgolferman,
I explain things differently to you, where all I want you to know is
*every* iPhone prior to the iPhone 15 miserably fails EU's minimum life.
Every single iPhone.
That's just a fact.

Is it, though?

Could you point us to those "minimum life" standards...

...and when they kick in?

Jolly Roger

2024-10-02 04:54:41 UTC

But your little troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman says
so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time. I
said no such thing

BINGO - I laid the trap and you predictably fell right into it. You're
right: Arlen does this *constantly*, And it only bothers you now that
someone *other* than Arlen is doing it right back at him. *Very*
telling. You're not fooling anyone. Your bias is laid out for all to
see. You *love* Arlen's juvenile disruptive behavior here, and you
*always* side with him. Good job perfectly illustrating this fact.

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badgolferman

2024-10-02 08:19:23 UTC

But your little troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman says
so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time. I
said no such thing

Your rationalizations for being a lying, deceitful person are quite weak.
But at least now you’ve admitted to being one publicly. That’s a step in
the right direction.

Alan

2024-10-02 14:52:31 UTC

But your little troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman says
so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time. I
said no such thing

Your rationalizations for being a lying, deceitful person are quite weak.
But at least now you’ve admitted to being one publicly. That’s a step in
the right direction.

Face it:

He pegged you exactly right.

Jolly Roger

2024-10-02 16:17:59 UTC

But your little troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman
says so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time.
I said no such thing

BINGO - I laid the trap and you predictably fell right into it.
You're right: Arlen does this *constantly*, And it only bothers you
now that someone *other* than Arlen is doing it right back at him.
*Very* telling. You're not fooling anyone. Your bias is laid out for
all to see. You *love* Arlen's juvenile disruptive behavior here,
and you *always* side with him. Good job perfectly illustrating this
fact.

Your rationalizations for being a lying, deceitful person are quite
weak. But at least now you’ve admitted to being one publicly. That’s
a step in the right direction.

He pegged you exactly right.

Don't believe your lying eyes, Alan. badgolferman is just an innocent
bystander standing up for what is right! Nevermind all of the lies and
bullshit Arlen spews daily here - no, the people who have the balls to
stand up to Arlen's trolls are the "real problem". They should just be
quiet and let Arlen and badgolferman spew lies, otherwise they are the
"true trolls"... 😉

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Jolly Roger

2024-10-02 16:13:32 UTC

But your little troll is weak - even your best bud badgolferman
says so.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing all the time.
I said no such thing

BINGO - I laid the trap and you predictably fell right into it.
You're right: Arlen does this *constantly*, And it only bothers you
now that someone *other* than Arlen is doing it right back at him.
*Very* telling. You're not fooling anyone. Your bias is laid out for
all to see. You *love* Arlen's juvenile disruptive behavior here, and
you *always* side with him. Good job perfectly illustrating this
fact.

Your rationalizations for being a lying, deceitful person

🤣 You fell for the bait, hook, line, and sinker. You support and allow
Arlen lying about what others say here *daily* and even do in it
yourself, because you enjoy such weak dishonesty. But the *minute*
someone else uses the same dishonest tactic as bait, you strenuously
object. It's fine with you when Arlen lies about what other people say,
but not when anyone else does. Your bias couldn't be more obvious.

Post by badgolferman
But at least now you’ve admitted to being one publicly. That’s a step
in the right direction.

You're a true hypocrite. You and your best buddy Arlen are deceitful
liars who claim other people say things they didn't day all of the time.
But the moment someone uses that same tactic of lying about something
someone else said, you get upset and cry about it. You're not fooling
anyone here.

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Tom Elam

2024-09-30 17:51:56 UTC

Post by Andrew
Any discussion of "hours of use" without "charge cycles" is
meaningless.

And yet longer run times equate to fewer cycles

The problem with you zealots is you don't understand basic math.
Fewer cycles don't matter if the battery can't handle as many cycles.
There's a reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often, JR.
Apple iPhones start with el cheapo laughably puny substandard batteries.
And there's a reason the EU forced Apple to disclose the battery life too.
Notice how pitifully short that disclosed Apple iPhone battery life is.
Why do you think Apple's disclosures shows pitifully few charge cycles?
The most critical determinant of overall battery life, is initial capacity.
How long a battery lasts per day is DIFFERENT than the battery's lifetime
because any given battery has a DIFFERENT number of charge cycles in it.
None of your zealot arguments takes into account Apple's deplorable lack of
batteries being able to handle the charge cycles that Android batteries do.
Remember, nobody replaces more batteries yearly than does Apple.
The REASON for Apple's deplorable lack of charge cycles is the capacity.
What nospam used to claim was Apple's well advertised "vaunted efficiency".
However, Apple's admirable 1% to 2% increase in efficiency can never make
up for a 200% decrease in battery capacity, no matter what math you use.
The most critical determinant of overall battery life, is initial capacity.
No amount of slick Apple MARKETING can overcome its lack of charge cycles.

REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.

Here are some facts:

https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/

Quotes:

"Battery Capacity

The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic
indicator of how much juice a phone’s battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into
real-world usage.

Recent iPhone models have packed in these mAh capacities:

iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
For Android, flagship capacities include:

Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh

On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given its
more compact size. However, Apple’s custom silicon helps enable power
efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings. Still,
Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery size to
enable marathon usage times."

"Real-World Battery Life Tests

Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones and
Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like PhoneBuff run
battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web browsing test
over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively for 11 hours 28
minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a total of 27 hours 38
minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was active for 9 hours 16
minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it a total of 25 hours 16
minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates iPhones have an advantage
for typical daily use, thanks to the platform’s power efficiency along
with battery capacity. However, results can vary depending on the
individual models tested in each phone generation."

Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.

Here's the clincher:

"Battery Life Over Time

How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.

Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation than
typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports indicate most
recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their original capacity
after two years. Though there is no way to determine battery health on
Android, but using 3rd party apps like AccuBattery, it has been seen
that many Android phones dip below 70% capacity by the same point as
repeated fast charging takes a toll.

However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.

This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast charging
the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. Currently,
brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt adapters on Android
have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on the other hand are
quite careful with their charging accessories. That’s why they don’t
offer anything extra other than suitable charging power."

sms

2024-09-30 18:22:31 UTC

On 9/30/2024 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tom Elam
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast charging
the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. Currently,
brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt adapters on Android
have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on the other hand are
quite careful with their charging accessories. That’s why they don’t
offer anything extra other than suitable charging power."

The teardowns and tests of the iPhone 16 Pro did reveal one major fix
versus the 15 Pro, the 16 Pro has a much better thermal solution and can
run demanding applications without throttling. See

Andrew

2024-09-30 21:00:18 UTC

Post by Tom Elam
REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.
https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
"Battery Capacity
The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic
indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into
real-world usage.
iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given its
more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable power
efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings. Still,
Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery size to
enable marathon usage times."
"Real-World Battery Life Tests
Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones and
Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like PhoneBuff run
battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web browsing test
over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively for 11 hours 28
minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a total of 27 hours 38
minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was active for 9 hours 16
minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it a total of 25 hours 16
minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates iPhones have an advantage
for typical daily use, thanks to the platform's power efficiency along
with battery capacity. However, results can vary depending on the
individual models tested in each phone generation."
Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
"Battery Life Over Time
How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.
Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation than
typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports indicate most
recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their original capacity
after two years. Though there is no way to determine battery health on
Android, but using 3rd party apps like AccuBattery, it has been seen
that many Android phones dip below 70% capacity by the same point as
repeated fast charging takes a toll.
However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast charging
the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. Currently,
brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt adapters on Android
have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on the other hand are
quite careful with their charging accessories. That's why they don't
offer anything extra other than suitable charging power."

You have never read the news, Tom Elam, am I correct?
(You only read Apple's (rather brilliant) advertising, right Tom?)

The fact is the EU told Apple to STOP SELLING el cheap iPhones, Tom Elam.
That's *every* iPhone below the iPhone 15, Tom Elam.

Look it up.

All iPhones miserably failed the EU's *MINIMUM* standards for battery life!
Even the iPhones that passed, *barely* meet EU minimum-life standards.

While some Android phones *DOUBLED* the EU's minimum battery standards!
Think about that.

In addition...

See my response to Jolly Roger where, using simple numbers, if you have a
batter that lasts for an entire week on one charge, but if that battery has
a 5 charge cycle rating, then it won't last more than a few months, Tom.

Apple marketing is genius at advertising only half the picture, where
Apple's admirable number of hours on one charge is only one metric.

What you have to look at is Apple's atrocious number of charge cycles
before that battery is considered dead as a doorknob - unchargeable.

To put it bluntly, the main reason the iPhone has the most replaced battery
of all phones in that price range is Apple uses el cheapo battery design.

The EU was so appalled at the extremely short lifetime of Apple batteries,
that the EU recently *forced* Apple to disclose the number of charge
cycles, and the EU forbid Apple to sell every iPhone below the iPHone 15 as
a result of the astoundingly low number of iPhone battery charge cycles.

Look it up as we discussed this topic in great detail only a short while
ago.

You'd be hard pressed to find worse batteries than those in the iPhone.
At least in that price range - there are multiple batteries in Android
phones that last TWICE the charge cycles as the el cheapo iPhones do.

Look that up since charge cycles are the major second-order determinant of
overall battery life, with initial capacity being the first-order
determinant, and the overall daily life being a third-order determinant.

Sorry if this simple math is too much for you brainwashed Apple zealots.

And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone
lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.

The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

badgolferman

2024-09-30 22:27:14 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

It’s been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum battery
capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day despite all the
online backgammon that I play. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but it’s
certainly better than previous iPhones I’ve had.

Andrew

2024-09-30 23:58:30 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

It's been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum battery
capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day despite all the
online backgammon that I play. I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's
certainly better than previous iPhones I've had.

Hi badgolferman,

Remember I got the free Androids and iPHones from T-Mobile (as you did),
about three and one-half years ago, right? (April 2021).

And while my 5 Amp Hour battery on my free Android is still going strong,
I'm sure what you say is correct, so I believe you, a priori, BECAUSE you
act in good faith, with sincere honest goals, sans hypocrisy or mendacity.

As a result of your straightforwardness, I speak with you quite differently
than I speak with the unscrupulous zealots, whom I have to be explicitly
black and white with - because they're so incredibly deceitful people.

The fact is The iPhone 14 is NOT on the EU listing of acceptable phones by
overall long-term battery life. The iPhone 15 is. As is the iPhone 16.

You can make whatever you want of that information, but Apple sure isn't
advertising that they had to increase the battery (and change the charge
cycle calculation) in order to meet MINIMUM EU battery-life standards.

By battery life I'm not talking about hours per day (which is meaningless);
but in years, which is something the dishonest zealots can't understand.

The point to the zealots is that Apple barely meets the battery longevity
standards (which measures to the 80% loss in 500 charge cycles metric).

Any phone not meeting those *minimum* EU standards can't be sold, which,
let's be frank, is almost every iPhone out there that Apple has ever sold.

Don't you wonder *WHY* Apple increased the capacity suddenly?
No?

You gotta realize cheap crappy batteries is all part of Apple's strategy.
They only increased battery capacity to the minimum because they had to.

Think of the bad press when word gets out Apple iPhones have such crappy
batteries that they can't be sold in the EU while Android easily can be.

All the Android phones at that price range not only meet the EU's minimum,
but some exceed that minimum battery lifetime by more than double the
charge cycles.

The simple math these Apple zealots can't understand is that a battery that
lasts for a week but which is dead in 5 charge cycles won't last a year.

The zealots only know what Apple advertises, and Apple never advertises
that it has the lowest lifetime of all phone batteries in its class.

That was my main point.

The primary determinant of battery life is charge capacity.
The secondary determinant of battery life is charge cycles to 80%.
And a tertiary determinant is the almost meaningless daily life.

You can understand that concept, I hope.
The ignorant deceitful duplicitous Apple zealots will never get it.

They can't fathom that Apple iPhones don't meet minimum standards.

Alan

2024-10-01 18:35:56 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that Apple
supposedly failed?

badgolferman

2024-10-01 18:56:05 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that Apple
supposedly failed?

I’m not interested in being your mouthpiece. If you want to know something
ask him yourself.

Alan

2024-10-01 19:57:39 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that Apple
supposedly failed?

I’m not interested in being your mouthpiece. If you want to know something
ask him yourself.

You're not interest in what's true in what he says and what's not?

Predictable.

Jolly Roger

2024-10-02 04:49:01 UTC

Post by Andrew
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics
as other batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an
el cheapo design.

It’s been exactly two years since I got my iPhone 14. The maximum
battery capacity is now at 86%. The phone still lasts an entire day
despite all the online backgammon that I play. I don’t know if
that’s good or bad, but it’s certainly better than previous iPhones
I’ve had.

Why don't you ask Arlen/Andrew where these EU standards are that
Apple supposedly failed?

I’m not interested in being your mouthpiece. If you want to know
something ask him yourself.

You're not interest in what's true in what he says and what's not?
Predictable.

He enjoys Arlen's juvenile trolls. You'll note he virtually never
questions them.

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Andrew

2024-10-02 20:21:33 UTC

You'll note he virtually never questions them.

Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.

Such as the fact that Apple's iPhones have smaller batteries than most
Androids of similar size & price range. Far smaller batteries, in fact.

You religious zealots *hate* that fact so you find all sorts of ways to
make lame excuses for the pitifully small laughably tiny iPhone batteries.

Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are small", but you
can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing with you.

Jolly Roger

2024-10-02 22:46:06 UTC

You'll note he virtually never questions them.

Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.

Only Arlen and badgolferman think repeated unsubstantiated lies are
"facts that are well publicized".

Post by Andrew
Such as the fact that Apple's iPhones have smaller batteries than most
Androids of similar size & price range. Far smaller batteries, in fact.

Little Arlen here desperately wants everyone to ignore the fact that
iPhones have battery run times that are in the top 10:

<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/smartphones-best-battery-life,review-2857.html>
---
Asus ROG Phone 8 Pro: 18:48
OnePlus 12R: 18:42
iPhone 16 Pro Max: 18:06
Asus Zenfone 11 Ultra: 17:52
OnePlus 12: 17:41
Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra: 16:45
Samsung Galaxy S24 Plus: 16:32
iPhone 16 Plus: 16:29
Motorola Edge Plus (2023): 15:47
Moto G Stylus 5G (2024): 15:01
---

Instead, Arlen wants everyone to focus on the relatively meaningless
metric of battery size. Unfortunately for little Arlen, what most normal
people care about is runtime. In fact, it can be argued that increased
battery sizes weigh more, and normal people definitely care about weight
as well. 😉

Post by Andrew
You religious zealots

Projection from a religious anti-Apple zealot.

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Andrew

2024-10-03 05:50:14 UTC

Post by Andrew
Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.
Only Arlen and badgolferman think repeated unsubstantiated lies are
"facts that are well publicized".

Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?
You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.

Not only can't you accept simple facts everyone knows, but you spend
endless hours *disputing* what is simply a well-known fact about iPhones.

The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.

Post by Andrew
Such as the fact that Apple's iPhones have smaller batteries than most
Androids of similar size & price range. Far smaller batteries, in fact.

iPhones have battery run times that are in the top 10.

If there are any adults reading this response, do you see how these strange
religious zealots fixate on completely meaningless metrics in order to not
simply say "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?

To prove why their metric is almost meaningless, I already gave an example
prior showing the initial battery capacity and charge cycles matters more.

But I could give other illustrative examples which prove that the length of
time a battery lasts on the first day is almost meaningless in terms of how
long the battery will last over time.

Let's take a comparison of a Lithium Iron Phosphate battery such as the
Franklin home batteries to a Tesla 3 powerwall standard Lithium-ion
battery.

What's the life of the Franklin battery compared to that of the Tesla?
Decades longer, right.

And yet, they both power the same amount on the first day of use.

That's just an example, but the point is these zealots dispute everything
they don't like about Apple products - which is pretty much everything.

This fixation the Apple religious zealots have with marketing metrics
instead of scientific metrics is part of why they're so very strange.

Post by Andrew
Instead, Arlen wants everyone to focus on the relatively meaningless
metric of battery size.

After years of saying the same thing, you *still* can't understand that
size isn't what I focus on - but overall battery lifetime.

Why do you think the EU forced Apple to upgrade their batteries JR?

Apple couldn't afford the word to get out that there wasn't a single iPhone
in the world that met even the bar minimum standard for overall lifetime.

Post by Andrew
what most normal people care about is runtime.

The EU spec that *all* iPhone batteries failed, JR, was overall lifetime.

The iPhone 15 battery increase barely made the EU lifetime spec, JR.

Meanwhile most Androids *double* the minimum EU lifetime spec, JR.
*You zealots dispute everything you don't know; which is everything.*

Jolly Roger

2024-10-03 15:42:19 UTC

Post by Andrew
Only you Apple zealots dispute facts that are well publicized.
Only Arlen and badgolferman think repeated unsubstantiated lies are
"facts that are well publicized".

Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?

Why not just admit that iPhones are routinely in the top ten smartphones
with the longest runtime between charges?

You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.

Post by Andrew
you spend endless hours *disputing*

Projection from a troll who literally spends every hour of every day
trolling the Apple newsgroups.

Post by Andrew
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.

The fact is iPhones are in the top ten smartphones with the longest
run times between charges - which is the metric most people actually
care about, The fact that you are obsessed with battery size over run
time shows you are trolling.

[remainder of trollish bullshit rightfully ignored]

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Andrew

2024-10-03 20:24:40 UTC

Post by Andrew
Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?

Why not just admit that iPhones are routinely in the top ten smartphones
with the longest runtime between charges?
You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.

Heh heh heh... I never once said otherwise, Jolly Roger.

Remember you called badgolferman a liar in this thread.

Well YOU are the liar.

Post by Andrew
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.

The fact is iPhones are in the top ten smartphones with the longest
run times between charges - which is the metric most people actually
care about...

Actually most people care about other things, like the emoijis and the
video quality and the color of teh iPhone case, etc.

But the fact remains no iPhone prior to the iPhone 15 meets EU bare minimum
specs for overall lifetime, and even the 15 and 16 with their larger
batteries *barely* meet the EU spec for lifetime use - while most Androids
in that price range more than *double* the EU spec for minimum lifetime.

Look it up. We had an entire long thread on this only about a month ago.

*You zealots dispute everything you don't know; which is everything.*

Jolly Roger

2024-10-04 16:23:26 UTC

Post by Andrew
Why not just say, "Yeah, Apple iPhone batteries sure are puny"?

Why not just admit that iPhones are routinely in the top ten
smartphones with the longest runtime between charges?
You can't bring yourself to say that because it's a religious thing.

Heh heh heh... I never once said otherwise, Jolly Roger.

Heh heh heh... And I never said anything about battery size, but that's
not stopping you from claiming it's the only thing that matters, which
is false.

Post by Andrew
Well YOU are the liar.

More projection from a compulsive lying troll.

Post by Andrew
The fact is, iPhone batteries *are* puny.

The fact is iPhones are in the top ten smartphones with the longest
run times between charges - which is the metric most people actually
care about...

Actually most people care about other things, like the emoijis and the
video quality and the color of teh iPhone case, etc.

You're so desperate that you're trying to talk about anything BUT
batteries now. 🤡

No, when it comes to smartphone batteries, most people care about
runtime.

Post by Andrew
*You zealots dispute everything you don't know; which is everything.*

The only zealot here is you.

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Andrew

2024-10-01 23:03:17 UTC

If you want to know something ask him yourself.

Even better, since we have entire threads on this topic,
"If you want to know something, look it up yourself".

It can't possibly be that difficult for the Apple zealots to be so dumb
that they can't even look up the well-publicized-for-years EU standards.

You know what's kind'a funny, badgolferman...
They dispute everything that they don't understand; which is everything.

It's no longer shocking how they're twins of the trumpists out there.

Alan

2024-10-02 01:19:51 UTC

If you want to know something ask him yourself.

I'll say it plainly for all the rational people:

There is not EU standard that bans any particular SIZE of battery.

There is a standard not yet in force that will mandate REPLACEABLE
batteries, and that is going to be a problem for MANY smartphone makers.

Do you get it yet, BGM?

RocketSurgeon

2024-10-02 17:59:50 UTC

If you want to know something ask him yourself.

There is not EU standard that bans any particular SIZE of battery.
There is a standard not yet in force that will mandate REPLACEABLE
batteries, and that is going to be a problem for MANY smartphone makers.
Do you get it yet, BGM?O

Of course not.....

Andrew

2024-10-02 20:25:40 UTC

Post by RocketSurgeon

Post by Alan
Do you get it yet, BGM?O

Of course not.....

You do realize that Apple publicized that the only phones that met the EU
standards are the iPhone 15 (and now, the iPhone 16), don't you?

The fact that you don't know what is widely publicized so everyone know is,
is one thing about you religious zealots.

But the fact you also dispute it without even bothering to look it up, is
what sets you strange Apple zealots off from how a normal person would act.

*You zealots dispute everything you don't know; which is everything.*

Worse...

*You zealots dispute everything you don't like; which is everything.*

Alan

2024-10-02 20:58:50 UTC

Post by RocketSurgeon

Post by Alan
Do you get it yet, BGM?O

Of course not.....

You do realize that Apple publicized that the only phones that met the EU
standards are the iPhone 15 (and now, the iPhone 16), don't you?

Have they? Really?

Then implicitly, you should have no trouble showing us that.

Tom Elam

2024-11-15 16:17:37 UTC

Post by Tom Elam
REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.
https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
"Battery Capacity
The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic
indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into
real-world usage.
iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given
its more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable
power efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings.
Still, Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery
size to enable marathon usage times."
"Real-World Battery Life Tests
Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones
and Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like
PhoneBuff run battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web
browsing test over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively
for 11 hours 28 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a total
of 27 hours 38 minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was active
for 9 hours 16 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it a total
of 25 hours 16 minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates iPhones
have an advantage for typical daily use, thanks to the platform's
power efficiency along with battery capacity. However, results can
vary depending on the individual models tested in each phone generation."
Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
"Battery Life Over Time
How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.
Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation
than typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports
indicate most recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their
original capacity after two years. Though there is no way to determine
battery health on Android, but using 3rd party apps like AccuBattery,
it has been seen that many Android phones dip below 70% capacity by
the same point as repeated fast charging takes a toll.
However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast
charging the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery.
Currently, brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt
adapters on Android have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on
the other hand are quite careful with their charging accessories.
That's why they don't offer anything extra other than suitable
charging power."

You have never read the news, Tom Elam, am I correct?
(You only read Apple's (rather brilliant) advertising, right Tom?)
The fact is the EU told Apple to STOP SELLING el cheap iPhones, Tom Elam.
That's *every* iPhone below the iPhone 15, Tom Elam.
Look it up.
All iPhones miserably failed the EU's *MINIMUM* standards for battery life!
Even the iPhones that passed, *barely* meet EU minimum-life standards.
While some Android phones *DOUBLED* the EU's minimum battery standards!
Think about that.
In addition...
See my response to Jolly Roger where, using simple numbers, if you have a
batter that lasts for an entire week on one charge, but if that battery has
a 5 charge cycle rating, then it won't last more than a few months, Tom.
Apple marketing is genius at advertising only half the picture, where
Apple's admirable number of hours on one charge is only one metric.
What you have to look at is Apple's atrocious number of charge cycles
before that battery is considered dead as a doorknob - unchargeable.
To put it bluntly, the main reason the iPhone has the most replaced battery
of all phones in that price range is Apple uses el cheapo battery design.
The EU was so appalled at the extremely short lifetime of Apple batteries,
that the EU recently *forced* Apple to disclose the number of charge
cycles, and the EU forbid Apple to sell every iPhone below the iPHone 15 as
a result of the astoundingly low number of iPhone battery charge cycles.
Look it up as we discussed this topic in great detail only a short while
ago.
You'd be hard pressed to find worse batteries than those in the iPhone.
At least in that price range - there are multiple batteries in Android
phones that last TWICE the charge cycles as the el cheapo iPhones do.
Look that up since charge cycles are the major second-order determinant of
overall battery life, with initial capacity being the first-order
determinant, and the overall daily life being a third-order determinant.
Sorry if this simple math is too much for you brainwashed Apple zealots.
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone
lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.

Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.

Alan

2024-11-15 16:22:01 UTC

Post by Tom Elam

Post by Tom Elam
REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your
words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.
https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
"Battery Capacity
The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic
indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However,
optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into
real-world usage.
iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery
capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given
its more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable
power efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings.
Still, Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery
size to enable marathon usage times."
"Real-World Battery Life Tests
Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones
and Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like
PhoneBuff run battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web
browsing test over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively
for 11 hours 28 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a
total of 27 hours 38 minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was
active for 9 hours 16 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it
a total of 25 hours 16 minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates
iPhones have an advantage for typical daily use, thanks to the
platform's power efficiency along with battery capacity. However,
results can vary depending on the individual models tested in each
phone generation."
Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
"Battery Life Over Time
How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging
capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for
long-term owners.
Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation
than typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports
indicate most recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their
original capacity after two years. Though there is no way to
determine battery health on Android, but using 3rd party apps like
AccuBattery, it has been seen that many Android phones dip below 70%
capacity by the same point as repeated fast charging takes a toll.
However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are
numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies.
Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from
settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries,
after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery
swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of
iPhone battery swelling.
This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast
charging the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery.
Currently, brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt
adapters on Android have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on
the other hand are quite careful with their charging accessories.
That's why they don't offer anything extra other than suitable
charging power."

You have never read the news, Tom Elam, am I correct?
(You only read Apple's (rather brilliant) advertising, right Tom?)
The fact is the EU told Apple to STOP SELLING el cheap iPhones, Tom Elam.
That's *every* iPhone below the iPhone 15, Tom Elam.
Look it up.
All iPhones miserably failed the EU's *MINIMUM* standards for battery life!
Even the iPhones that passed, *barely* meet EU minimum-life standards.
While some Android phones *DOUBLED* the EU's minimum battery standards!
Think about that.
In addition...
See my response to Jolly Roger where, using simple numbers, if you have a
batter that lasts for an entire week on one charge, but if that battery has
a 5 charge cycle rating, then it won't last more than a few months, Tom.
Apple marketing is genius at advertising only half the picture, where
Apple's admirable number of hours on one charge is only one metric.
What you have to look at is Apple's atrocious number of charge cycles
before that battery is considered dead as a doorknob - unchargeable.
To put it bluntly, the main reason the iPhone has the most replaced battery
of all phones in that price range is Apple uses el cheapo battery design.
The EU was so appalled at the extremely short lifetime of Apple batteries,
that the EU recently *forced* Apple to disclose the number of charge
cycles, and the EU forbid Apple to sell every iPhone below the iPHone 15 as
a result of the astoundingly low number of iPhone battery charge cycles.
Look it up as we discussed this topic in great detail only a short while
ago.
You'd be hard pressed to find worse batteries than those in the iPhone.
At least in that price range - there are multiple batteries in Android
phones that last TWICE the charge cycles as the el cheapo iPhones do.
Look that up since charge cycles are the major second-order
determinant of
overall battery life, with initial capacity being the first-order
determinant, and the overall daily life being a third-order determinant.
Sorry if this simple math is too much for you brainwashed Apple zealots.
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone
lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.

Expect Arlen to actually support his bullshit?

Good luck with that.

Andrews

2024-11-15 18:04:08 UTC

Post by Tom Elam

Post by Andrew
And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone
lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.

It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.

You can't even look up what both Apple & the EU published - and - what
we've talked about already on in-depth threads on this very newsgroup!

Notwithstanding the fact that none of you Apple trolls could possibly have
earned even a college degree because you can't find what *everyone* knows.

Apple *published* the figures for Christ's sake. And the EU rules are also
*published* so again you Apple trolls prove to be ignorant of everything.

To make it ever more obvious that you Apple trolls ignorantly deny
everything about Apple you don't like (which is pretty much everything)...

We even had entire threads on this very topic - which you trolls forgot!

Even if I gave you Apple trolls the links for the umpteenth time, you Apple
trolls have shown you never click on the cites. And if I force you to click
on the cites, you Apple trolls never can understand what the cites says.

Suffice to say everyone on the planet except you Apple trolls is well aware
of the EU rules on the lifetime of batteries which absolutely no Apple
iPhone meets except the iPhone 15 and up (because Apple had to meet them!).

Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's
minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).

Apple's own published words show clearly no iPhone below the iPhone 15
meets the EU's requirements for battery life - and yet - *plenty* of
Android phones exceed the EU's minimum battery life by more than double!

It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.

The fact is the iPhone battery capacity is crap. And it always was crap.
Apple gives you loyal morons the shittiest components they can possibly do.

And you *love* Apple for that. You'll stand in long lines outside the Apple
store because you can't wait to get *rid* of your old iPhone in tradein!

One good reason for that is Apple put crappy batteries in all iPhones.
That's just a fact. The capacity is crap compared to that of most Androids.

And capacity is the single most important determinant of battery longevity.
Which is why the EU rules forbid iPhones older than the 15 from being sold.

Alan

2024-11-15 19:51:34 UTC

Post by Andrews

Post by Tom Elam

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.
Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.

Did I not nail it?

:-)

Post by Andrews
It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
You can't even look up what both Apple & the EU published - and - what
we've talked about already on in-depth threads on this very newsgroup!
Notwithstanding the fact that none of you Apple trolls could possibly have
earned even a college degree because you can't find what *everyone* knows.
Apple *published* the figures for Christ's sake. And the EU rules are also
*published* so again you Apple trolls prove to be ignorant of everything.
To make it ever more obvious that you Apple trolls ignorantly deny
everything about Apple you don't like (which is pretty much everything)...
We even had entire threads on this very topic - which you trolls forgot!
Even if I gave you Apple trolls the links for the umpteenth time, you Apple
trolls have shown you never click on the cites. And if I force you to click
on the cites, you Apple trolls never can understand what the cites says.
Suffice to say everyone on the planet except you Apple trolls is well aware
of the EU rules on the lifetime of batteries which absolutely no Apple
iPhone meets except the iPhone 15 and up (because Apple had to meet them!).
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's
minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).
Apple's own published words show clearly no iPhone below the iPhone 15
meets the EU's requirements for battery life - and yet - *plenty* of
Android phones exceed the EU's minimum battery life by more than double!
It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
The fact is the iPhone battery capacity is crap. And it always was crap.
Apple gives you loyal morons the shittiest components they can possibly do.
And you *love* Apple for that. You'll stand in long lines outside the Apple
store because you can't wait to get *rid* of your old iPhone in tradein!
One good reason for that is Apple put crappy batteries in all iPhones.
That's just a fact. The capacity is crap compared to that of most Androids.
And capacity is the single most important determinant of battery longevity.
Which is why the EU rules forbid iPhones older than the 15 from being sold.

-hh

2024-11-15 20:55:12 UTC

Post by Andrews
...
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's
minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).

And these EU regulators had independent & objective criteria for setting
this standard, which was done double-blind to how products performed ...

...right?

-hh

Andrews

2024-11-15 21:20:52 UTC

Post by -hh

Post by Andrews
Worse... it's a fact that those very few Apple iPhones which meet the EU's
minimum battery life requirements *barely* meet them (which again shows
Apple's propensity for the absolute minimum required by law for customers).

And these EU regulators had independent & objective criteria for setting
this standard, which was done double-blind to how products performed ...
...right?

The EU specified battery lifetime rules which applied equally to Android
and to Apple phones - where all known Android phones surpassed those
minimum lifetime rules - and yet - the iPhone 15 failed initially - but
Apple literally changed their test standard - and then it passed.

Fancy that.

Note we discussed this ad infinitum on this very newsgroup, so I'm not
telling you anything which isn't already in this newsgroup's archives.

Only *after* Apple tweaked the testing procedure did the iPhone 15 pass.
Nonetheless, it passed. But barely.

Meanwhile, almost all Androids (if not all Samsung/Google phones, which are
the vast majority) passed with flying colors - some exceeding TWICE the
lifetime (while Apple iPhones, even the latest, barely meet the standard).

The reason is trivially simple to comprehend.
Apple puts crappy batteries (in terms of capacity) in iPhones.

That's just a fact.
The only people disputing that fact are the ignorant Apple trolls.

And yet - they are completely ignorant of *everything* about Apple.
They don't even know about the EU standards & Apple's test proc changes.

*Who is /that/ stupid?*

As I've had to explain to the actual adults on this child-like Apple
newsgroup, you have to treat these Apple trolls like kindergarteners.

They can't find links to Usenet threads that they themselves were on.
Jesus Christ - *who is _that_ stupid?*

We already discussed this many times. With links to Apple's own public
reports saying only the iPhone 15 (and up) meets these new EU standards.

Not only do none of the Apple trolls (Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al.) know anything about Apple, but
they don't know anything about anything. Sheeesh. Who is *that* stupid?

None could possibly have earned even a college BA with their low IQs.
They can't look up publicly *published* information for Christs sake.

They simply deny everything they don't know - which - is everything!

Like mentally handicapped IQ 40 people, you can spoon feed the Apple trolls
entire threads containing many references to the reports - and they can't
click on the links (they'll say a reference is just a link - nothing more).

*Who is _that_ stupid?*

You can point them to many threads they already participated on, replete
with links published by Apple & the EU and the news articles - and still -
these ignorant low IQ Apple trolls will claim it's just a Usenet thread.

Again and again, you have to ask: *Who is that incredibly stupid?*
The Apple trolls don't even remember we discussed this many times!

Each of these threads has plenty of links to the public references.
And yet - the Apple trolls are completely ignorant of it - and everything.

Mon, 15 Jul 2024
*EU mandating OEMs certify their batteries perform for 800 cycles or face consequences*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15882&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15882>

Fri, 12 Jul 2024
*Laughably puny cheap iPhone batteries rumored to get slightly better with iPhone 16 due to EU regulations*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15838&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15838>

Sun, 28 Jul 2024
*If you own an iPhone X or older - you should throw it over the next bridge*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16350&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16350>

Mon, 15 Jul 2024
*Why are ignorant low-IQ uneducated zealots always the last to know everything?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=15881&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#15881>

Note: The ignornt uneducated low-IQ Apple trolls always claim a
bibliography doesn't contain any useful data (to them), so I'm already
warning the adults they'll say "those are just Usenet threads" even though
those threads not only provide plenty of reference cites, but the Apple
trolls who claim to know nothing about these facts are on those threads.

Who is that stupid?

In my whole life, I've never met, in the flesh, people that stupid as Jolly
Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al.

--
Fri, 15 Nov 2024
*iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17764&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#17764>

Alan

2024-11-21 23:10:43 UTC