The 10 Worst Smartphones Of All Time

Post by badgolferman
https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/
-- Galaxy Note 7
-- HTC First
-- Amazon Fire Phone
-- Blackberry Storm
-- Kyocera Echo
-- Samsung Galaxy Fold
-- RED Hydrogen One
-- iPhone 6
-- HTC EVO 3D
-- V Mobile N8-N

Good and bad as well as statistics are not your core competence.

--
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

Sten deJoode

2024-04-30 17:42:41 UTC

Good and bad as well as statistics are not your core competence.

iPhone 6

To make matters worse, internal documents from Apple showed that Apple knew
the [iPhone 6] was susceptible to damage from bending (via Vice). There's
not much worse than paying a premium price for a flagship product only to
find out the manufacturer knew [the iPhone 6] was designed to be defective.

Apple started a tech revolution with the first iPhone and had already built
a reputation for creating innovative and quality products. That is
precisely why it is all that much more disappointing when it fails to get
[the iPhone 6] phone right.

Multiple reports of the [iPhone 6] phone bending while being stored in
peoples' pockets or subjected to moderate stress arose, and the issue
became amplified when Unbox Therapy picked up on it and created a video
specifically testing the phone with dismal results.

While the [iPhone 6] phone does not always break, moderate stress can cause
it to have a permanent bend centered in the frame around the location of
the volume buttons.

Furthermore, an issue related to the bending issue called "Touch Disease"
arose, something we covered in 2016. This flaw can also result from
moderate bending, causing the chip to become dislodged and, preventing
touch response to a part of the screen, which kinda makes it useless.

To make matters worse, internal documents from Apple showed that Apple knew
the [iPhone 6] phone was susceptible to damage from bending (via Vice).

Furthermore, Apple's preferred fix for either issue was a [consumer paid
for] replacement, which was convenient [for Apple] as many [iPhone 6]
phones were already out of warranty.

While "Bendgate" and "Touch Disease" caused some consternation from the
Apple faithful and really upset some owners of the iPhone 6, Apple remains
on top of their game.

Still, there's not much worse than paying a premium price for a flagship
product only to find out the manufacturer knew it was subpar.

Read More:
https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

Tyrone

2024-04-30 21:28:28 UTC

On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

News

2024-04-30 21:47:10 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

Tyrone

2024-04-30 22:16:12 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

In fact, it was Windows Phones that made me give up on Microsoft for consumer
products. I had (still have) a Nokia 920, a Nokia Icon and an MS 950 XL. The
XL was a total suckage. Junk hardware and horrible Windows 10 Mobile software,
which was not useable until about 6 months after it was released.

Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier. Windows Phones is
just a Bad Memory to me now.

Sort of like high school. Nice for a while, but once you got out and grew up
you realize what a waste of time it was.

Indira

2024-05-01 05:36:17 UTC

Post by Tyrone
Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.

But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.

Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%.
https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics

There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-05-01 06:29:13 UTC

Post by Indira

Post by Tyrone
Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.
But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.
Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%.
https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics
There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

Your deficiencies concerning statistics are basically the same
badgolferman experiences. You will never understand what you write in
this group. Hare Krishna, idiot!

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

Hank Rogers

2024-05-01 06:50:10 UTC

Post by Indira

Post by Tyrone
Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.
But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.
Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%.
https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics
There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

Your deficiencies concerning statistics are basically the same
badgolferman experiences. You will never understand what you write in
this group. Hare Krishna, idiot!

Say Jughead, do you reckon he might just be your archenemy Arlen?

News

2024-05-01 13:55:19 UTC

Post by Tyrone

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.

Tyrone

2024-05-01 15:53:31 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.

Had no apps. The tiles were a mess. Hint: putting a red square around EVERY
app icon is stupid. Everything now looks the same. Icons are supposed to be,
you know, ICONIC.

But what do you know?

Alan

2024-05-01 16:09:01 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.

2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the iPhone
had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

News

2024-05-01 16:15:14 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the iPhone
had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

FOAD, poseur.

Alan

2024-05-01 16:30:38 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks
like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

"Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing the
later Windows Phone.

Post by News
Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from Xerox,
but from SRI International.

2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
Alto Research Centre:

'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where the
Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came directly
from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto
Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by people who
don't know better (and also by people who should!). Unfortunately, it
just isn't true - there are some similarities between the Apple
interface and the various interfaces on Xerox systems, but the
differences are substantial.'

<https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>

That's written by Bruce Horn:

'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple
Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

News

2024-05-01 17:19:09 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks
like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

"Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".
See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?
Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing the
later Windows Phone.

Post by News
Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from Xerox,
but from SRI International.
2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where the
Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came directly
from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto
Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by people who
don't know better (and also by people who should!). Unfortunately, it
just isn't true - there are some similarities between the Apple
interface and the various interfaces on Xerox systems, but the
differences are substantial.'
<https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>
'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple
Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Alan

2024-05-01 17:20:29 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks
like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

"Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".
See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?
Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
the later Windows Phone.

And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?

Post by News
Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
Xerox, but from SRI International.
2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
systems, but the differences are substantial.'
<https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>
'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple
Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?

You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

News

2024-05-01 17:21:49 UTC

KB BS artist. His specialty.

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks
like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

"Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".
See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?
Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
the later Windows Phone.

And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?

Post by News
Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
Xerox, but from SRI International.
2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
systems, but the differences are substantial.'
<https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>
'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for
Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of
the Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?
You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...
...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Alan

2024-05-01 17:37:56 UTC

Post by News
KB BS artist. His specialty.

Gibberish: your specialty.

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks
like Apple is
doing just fine.

No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs
stole them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first

iPhone.
2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.
3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what
you THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

"Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".
See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?
Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
the later Windows Phone.

And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?

Post by News
Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
Xerox, but from SRI International.
2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
systems, but the differences are substantial.'
<https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>
'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for
Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of
the Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?
You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...
...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Tyrone

2024-05-01 17:38:32 UTC

Post by News
Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?
You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...
...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Because Arlen knows everything.

Alan

2024-05-01 19:00:16 UTC

Post by Tyrone

Post by News
Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?
You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...
...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Because Arlen knows everything.

"News" is many things...

(Mostly a whiny little jerk)

...but he is not Arlen.

Alan

2024-05-02 16:34:55 UTC

Post by Tyrone

Post by News
Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

Really?
You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...
...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Because Arlen knows everything.

You notice he's crawled off, though.

;-)

Blueshirt

2024-05-01 19:16:57 UTC

Post by News
No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to
single one out of the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows
Phones".

Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs
stole them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you
know. 1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS
after the first iPhone.

2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010,
the iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

FWIW, I had a windows phone back in the day, a Nokia Lumia 530.
I thought it'd be great to have a phone that had an OS similar
to Windows. (The tiles looked cool.) How wrong I was! It turned
out to be a pile of shit, constantly overheating and freezing if
you tried to actually do anything on it.

It's a travesty that no Windows phone features on a list of 'Top
Ten Worst Smartphones'.

Alan

2024-05-01 19:20:03 UTC

Post by News
No 'worst' WinPhones

That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to
single one out of the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows
Phones".

2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010,
the iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

FWIW, I had a windows phone back in the day, a Nokia Lumia 530.
I thought it'd be great to have a phone that had an OS similar
to Windows. (The tiles looked cool.) How wrong I was! It turned
out to be a pile of shit, constantly overheating and freezing if
you tried to actually do anything on it.
It's a travesty that no Windows phone features on a list of 'Top
Ten Worst Smartphones'.

Uh-huh.

And never forget that all of this sprang from Microsoft's ill-advised
attempt to create one OS that would be used everywhere: Windows 8.

badgolferman

2024-04-30 22:19:25 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Post by badgolferman
https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-tim
e/ -- Galaxy Note 7
-- HTC First
-- Amazon Fire Phone
-- Blackberry Storm
-- Kyocera Echo
-- Samsung Galaxy Fold
-- RED Hydrogen One
-- iPhone 6
-- HTC EVO 3D
-- V Mobile N8-N

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
replaced in the Android OS.

--
"Some folks are wise and some are otherwise." ~ Tobias George Smolett

Cameo

2024-05-01 02:51:04 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Post by badgolferman
https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-tim
e/ -- Galaxy Note 7
-- HTC First
-- Amazon Fire Phone
-- Blackberry Storm
-- Kyocera Echo
-- Samsung Galaxy Fold
-- RED Hydrogen One
-- iPhone 6
-- HTC EVO 3D
-- V Mobile N8-N

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

It would be easier to get used to Android UI than the other way around. The
real problem would be to find the same critical apps on both. If you find
something similar enough, transferring the data could be a problem.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-05-01 05:21:38 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Post by badgolferman
https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-tim
e/ -- Galaxy Note 7
-- HTC First
-- Amazon Fire Phone
-- Blackberry Storm
-- Kyocera Echo
-- Samsung Galaxy Fold
-- RED Hydrogen One
-- iPhone 6
-- HTC EVO 3D
-- V Mobile N8-N

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you
described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar,
communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.

If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly
straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

Sten deJoode

2024-05-01 05:46:14 UTC

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you
described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar,
communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.
If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly
straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.

I use both iOS and Android interchangeably, and except for the limitations
that iOS can't do most of the things Android does, it's easy to use either.

As even Jughead said, most of the big-name apps work on both platforms.

Alan

2024-05-01 16:10:21 UTC

Post by Sten deJoode

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you
described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar,
communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.
If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly
straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.

I use both iOS and Android interchangeably, and except for the limitations
that iOS can't do most of the things Android does, it's easy to use either.

iOS absolutely CAN do "most" of the things Android does.

Post by Sten deJoode
As even Jughead said, most of the big-name apps work on both platforms.

Andrew

2024-05-01 05:42:38 UTC

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I'm curious what that functionality might be that only iPhones have.

I'm sure that you can't replace Apple branded apps (e.g., Apple Maps
doesn't likely run on Android - although I haven't checked that myself).

But given Android doesn't limit what developers can provide by way of
useful functionality and Apple severely limits that functionality, what on
earth could be the functionality that you love with Apple not on Android?

I'm not asking you to switch from iOS to Android as you mentioned that the
sheer amount of differences is enormous (most in the complexity and
capabilities of Android dwarf that of the iPhone simplicity & naivety.

But I'm curious...

What functionality (not trade names, not brand names, but what it is that
you're trying to accomplish) can you do on an iPhone that isn't already on
even the cheapest, nay, even free Android phones (even from long ago)?

badgolferman

2024-05-01 10:38:51 UTC

Post by Andrew

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I'm curious what that functionality might be that only iPhones have.
I'm sure that you can't replace Apple branded apps (e.g., Apple Maps
doesn't likely run on Android - although I haven't checked that myself).
But given Android doesn't limit what developers can provide by way of
useful functionality and Apple severely limits that functionality, what on
earth could be the functionality that you love with Apple not on Android?
I'm not asking you to switch from iOS to Android as you mentioned that the
sheer amount of differences is enormous (most in the complexity and
capabilities of Android dwarf that of the iPhone simplicity & naivety.
But I'm curious...
What functionality (not trade names, not brand names, but what it is that
you're trying to accomplish) can you do on an iPhone that isn't already on
even the cheapest, nay, even free Android phones (even from long ago)?

I’ve already told you, Arlen. It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

-NewsTap / NewsTap Lite. There is no equivalent UseNet app that can do what
this app does.

- FindMy. I share location data with my family members. Maybe Android can
do this, but since my wife and youngest son use iPhones, I must too.

However I do use many Google services which I think are superior to
anything Apple provides:
Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Translate, Maps, Chrome, Voice, Docs, YouTube.

So when it comes to the battle between Google and Apple, I’m fairly
agnostic about them and use what works best for me.

Andrew

2024-05-01 15:14:06 UTC

Post by badgolferman
It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

Thanks for clarifying that there is zero functionality on iOS (such as
newsreaders or findmydevice functionality) that isn't already on Android.

I am logical and sensible but I can only work off of what you actually say.

Your precisely specific wording above is much easier to agree with since
there is a lot of power in the knowledge that Android OEMs do not limit
what functionality developers can write while Apple does severely limit it.

What you're simply saying is you like some apps better than similar ones.
And that will always happen since there must be tens of thousands of apps.

Post by badgolferman
-NewsTap / NewsTap Lite. There is no equivalent UseNet app that can do what
this app does.

I've used them all (Michelle Steiner gave me a key for NewsTap) in the past
and I found all phone newsreaders to be horrendous) compared to on a PC.

You simply like NewsTap better than the alternatives.
But both platforms have newsreader functionality, which is my point.

You likely don't know anything about these 7 Android newsreaders, do you?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almarsoft.GroundhogReader
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.noasy.newsreader
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=usenet.sinaapp.com

Those APKs came from my testing archives, but I just noticed some of those
links are now dead, as newsreaders never took off on either iOS or Android.

Luckily, on Android all free apps install on any Android phone, which is a
valuable feature that apparently is "not needed" & "not wanted" only for
iOS (since every other platform easily installs any free installer on any
device, no matter what login ID is used on that device - except for iOS).

Still, with Android you can almost always get the APK installer using any
of the many mirrors out there on the Internet (another think iOS can't do).

For example, for the GroundHog newsreader on Android, APK Pure has it.
https://m.apkpure.com/groundhog-usenet-reader/com.almarsoft.GroundhogReader

Likewise with the Noasy newsreader being found on the package mirrors.
https://www.appbrain.com/app/noasy-reader/com.noasy.newsreader

Post by badgolferman
- FindMy. I share location data with my family members. Maybe Android can
do this, but since my wife and youngest son use iPhones, I must too.

I think Android has a FindMy functionality but I've never tested it as the
last thing I want is someone to be able to locate my phone from afar.
https://www.android.com/learn-find-my-device/
https://support.google.com/android/answer/3265955?hl=en
https://www.theverge.com/22623185/how-to-find-android-phone-device-location-map-google

The reason there will never be any functionality on Apple devices that
isn't already on Android (even free old Android phones) is simply thus:
A. Most functionality is written by independent developers
B. Apple severely restricts what functionality developers can provide
C. Google can't.

The consumer is always going to be the loser when comparing iOS
functionality to Android because iOS can't do thousands of things
that Android easily does (as do all operating systems other than iOS).

Android even has iOS AirTag detection apps because people want them.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.seemoo.at_tracking_detection.release

Looking it up, I found even Apple has a detector on the Google Play Store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trackerdetect
"Tracker Detect looks for item trackers that are separated from
their owner and that are compatible with Apple's Find My network.
These item trackers include AirTag and compatible devices from other
companies. If you think someone is using AirTag or another device
to track your location, you can scan to try to find it."

In short, nobody has ever shown a single useful functionality that is on
iOS that is not on Android and yet there are hundreds of useful
functionalities on Android which are not & will never be on iOS.

Alan

2024-05-01 16:15:08 UTC

Post by Andrew

Post by badgolferman
It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

Thanks for clarifying that there is zero functionality on iOS (such as
newsreaders or findmydevice functionality) that isn't already on Android.

Arlen... ...stop playing games and start using just ONE posting nym.

Alan

2024-05-01 16:13:32 UTC

Post by Andrew

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
Apple is doing just fine.

I'm curious what that functionality might be that only iPhones have.
I'm sure that you can't replace Apple branded apps (e.g., Apple Maps
doesn't likely run on Android - although I haven't checked that myself).
But given Android doesn't limit what developers can provide by way of
useful functionality and Apple severely limits that functionality, what on
earth could be the functionality that you love with Apple not on Android?
I'm not asking you to switch from iOS to Android as you mentioned that the
sheer amount of differences is enormous (most in the complexity and
capabilities of Android dwarf that of the iPhone simplicity & naivety.
But I'm curious...
What functionality (not trade names, not brand names, but what it is that
you're trying to accomplish) can you do on an iPhone that isn't already on
even the cheapest, nay, even free Android phones (even from long ago)?

I’ve already told you, Arlen. It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.
-NewsTap / NewsTap Lite. There is no equivalent UseNet app that can do what
this app does.
- FindMy. I share location data with my family members. Maybe Android can
do this, but since my wife and youngest son use iPhones, I must too.
However I do use many Google services which I think are superior to
Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Translate, Maps, Chrome, Voice, Docs, YouTube.

In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to target
you for advertisers?

Calendar? Same question.

Post by badgolferman
So when it comes to the battle between Google and Apple, I’m fairly
agnostic about them and use what works best for me.

badgolferman

2024-05-01 19:04:01 UTC

Post by Alan
In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to target
you for advertisers?

Labels. Spam filtering. Rules.

Post by Alan
Calendar? Same question.

More powerful scheduling options. Sharing between users. Overall desktop
look and feel.

I use the iOS calendar in my phone, but it pulls all my appointments from
the Google calendar.

I don’t use Macs so I don’t use Apple desktop applications. Using Google
via Windows desktop is much simpler for me.

Alan

2024-05-01 19:22:45 UTC

Post by Alan
In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to target
you for advertisers?

Labels. Spam filtering. Rules.

You can label emails in Apple mail, or you can put them into folders,
which is what Gmail calls "labels.

You can filter Spam (did you know that Google deliberately mislabels
email as spam so that they can see if you actually find it important?).

Apple Mail has rules.

Next.

Post by Alan
Calendar? Same question.

More powerful scheduling options. Sharing between users. Overall desktop
look and feel.

"Powerful"? Like what?

You can share Apple's calenders.

Post by badgolferman
I use the iOS calendar in my phone, but it pulls all my appointments from
the Google calendar.
I don’t use Macs so I don’t use Apple desktop applications. Using Google
via Windows desktop is much simpler for me.

So your complaints are actually based on services you've not actually
tried to use.

Got it.

badgolferman

2024-05-02 10:25:47 UTC

Post by Alan
In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to
target you for advertisers?

Labels. Spam filtering. Rules.

You can label emails in Apple mail, or you can put them into folders,
which is what Gmail calls "labels.

Labels are different than folders. Multiple labels can be assigned to
the same message and the label can be colored to your desire, thus
making it easily recognizable when the filter has assigned that label
and it's sitting unread in your Inbox. Labels are a far more elegant
way of sorting your messages. Of course you won't agree because you've
never used them to their full extent. Also I've been a Gmail user
since the days it was invitation only and I'm not switching now.

Post by Alan
You can filter Spam (did you know that Google deliberately mislabels
email as spam so that they can see if you actually find it
important?).

Now I know you're full of shit! That has never happened to me.

Post by Alan
Apple Mail has rules.
Next.

Not rules which assign labels...

Post by Alan
Calendar? Same question.

More powerful scheduling options. Sharing between users. Overall
desktop look and feel.

"Powerful"? Like what?
You can share Apple's calenders.

Post by badgolferman
I use the iOS calendar in my phone, but it pulls all my
appointments from the Google calendar.
I don’t use Macs so I don’t use Apple desktop applications. Using
Google via Windows desktop is much simpler for me.

So your complaints are actually based on services you've not actually
tried to use.
Got it.

I tried to use Apple Mail but it was cheesy compared to Gmail and I
didn't need to go any farther with it. Now maybe if I was forced into
a Mac at work I'd have to try the desktop version, but considering even
they think it's a weak option and force everyone to use Outlook 365
that probably won't happen. Plus I wouldn't be able to get any work
done since Macs aren't of any use for technical work.

Wilf

2024-05-02 10:58:37 UTC

Post by Alan
You can label emails in Apple mail, or you can put them into folders,
which is what Gmail calls "labels.

I love the Gmail way of labelling emails. It's true that in iOS Mail,
as in many other mail clients, including Thunderbird on Windows and
elsewhere, those labels are mapped to folders, but with labels visible
on each email you can see ALL of the folders in which it occurs without
searching. The reason I use the Gmail app as opposed to Mail is
absolutely because of the visibility of the Gmail labels. If Mail could
do that, I'd change over to it in a heartbeat.

--
Wilf

Andrew

2024-05-02 15:40:10 UTC

Post by Wilf
The reason I use the Gmail app as opposed to Mail is
absolutely because of the visibility of the Gmail labels. If Mail could
do that, I'd change over to it in a heartbeat.

IMHO, GMail is superior to anything that Apple has ever provided for mail.

This discussion shows why people have to be open minded when it comes to
functionality that is available in two different apps, since it boils down
to personal preferences - where neither is right nor wrong in choosing that
they "prefer" the Apple Mail app or the Google GMail app on the iOS device.

In fact, I _only_ use GMail on my Apple devices, as the GMail app on an
Android device will unilaterally _create_ a tracking "Account" on that
Android device (where the technically competent are well aware that the
first rule of privacy on a mobile device is not to have any tracking
accounts associated with that device when the account info is queried).

Not all Google apps create an account on the Android device though.

The Google Maps app, for example, does not create an account on the Android
device, so I use Google Maps on Android instead of using it on iOS.

But the Google Voice app _does_ create an account on the device, so that's
why I only use Google Voice on my iPads and iPhones, which, to be clear,
already have an account on the device since tracking is what Apple does.

Since the Google GMail app works fine in iOS but it creates a tracking
account on Android, I chose to make my default MUA on Android the best free
open source privacy aware mobile phone MUA, which works fine for me.

*FairEmail*, privacy aware email by Marcel Bokhorst, FairCode BV, FOSS
Free, ad free, gsf free, 4.6 star, 24.3K reviews, 500K+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.email>
<https://email.faircode.eu/>
<https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases>
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.email/>
<https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-email-app-privacy-conscious-android/>
<https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-open-source-privacy-friendly-email/>

Cameo

2024-05-01 02:44:32 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

LG even better. Too bad they are getting out of phone business.

Jörg Lorenz

2024-05-01 05:23:11 UTC

Post by Tyrone
On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""

Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

LG even better. Too bad they are getting out of phone business.

This list is total nonsense faked and skewed to the authors preference.
They have nothing to do with objective criterias.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

Oscar Mayer

2024-05-01 05:31:14 UTC

Post by Tyrone
Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
doing just fine.

It's no longer amazing how desperate you Apple Jihadists are to claim a win
when Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes
hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.

If you compare functionality, no iPhone can do even what the cheapest
Android has always done, and if you want a list of some of those things,
I'll give it to you since you Jihadists only know about your beloved Koran.

All iPhones are toys when you realize the hundreds of simple things that no
iPhone can do, even down to the simplest of all tasks (such as organizing
your homescreen the way you want it to be or even to writing a list of all
files installed).

The iPhone is a barely functional toy.

It can't even run a system-wide firewall, nor can it do automatic call
recording, nor can it re-install apps on another phone without the same
AppleID nor can it spoof gps location, nor can it provide real tor
anonymity, nor can it save photos given any desired file-naming format, nor
can it graphically debug cellular and wi-fi signals, nor can it set the
default dialer, or the default contacts manager or the default camera app,
etc.

The fact iOS can't do what every other OS easily does proves it's a toy.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-01 20:20:22 UTC

Oscar Mayer <***@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
[snip]

Post by Oscar Mayer
It's no longer amazing how desperate you Apple Jihadists are to claim a win
when Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes
hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.

Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

You’re a wiener Arlen.

Oscar Mayer

2024-05-02 16:20:38 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

"Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
work in the real world.

The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does.
The iPhone is a toy.

A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-02 20:05:17 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

"Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
work in the real world.
The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does.
The iPhone is a toy.
A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

Hey you dishonest redacting jackass, I was responding to what you snipped
where you spewed: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while
Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
Samsung alone.”

Hank Rogers

2024-05-03 01:10:03 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

"Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
work in the real world.
The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does.
The iPhone is a toy.
A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-03 09:50:22 UTC

Post by Hank Rogers

Post by *Hemidactylus*
Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

"Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
work in the real world.
The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does.
The iPhone is a toy.
A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

Hey you dishonest redacting jackass, I was responding to what you snipped
where you spewed: ââ¦Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while
Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
Samsung alone.â

He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

Oscar Mayer

2024-05-03 12:58:27 UTC

Post by Hank Rogers
He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

All the Apple religious-nutcase jihadi have an IQ that compels them to
respond to criticism of Apple using nothing more than third-grade insults.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-03 14:40:25 UTC

Post by Hank Rogers
He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

All the Apple religious-nutcase jihadi have an IQ that compels them to
respond to criticism of Apple using nothing more than third-grade insults.

Is Android a phonemaker as you said but refuse to follow up on?

BTW “Apple religious-nutcase jihadi” is an elementary school level insult.

Oscar Mayer

2024-05-04 13:42:32 UTC

BTW �Apple religious-nutcase jihadi� is an elementary school level insult.

How would *you* describe the fact that you defend Apple to the death no
matter what the perceived insult, much like the religious jihadi do?

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-04 17:31:26 UTC

Post by *Hemidactylus*
BTW “Apple religious-nutcase jihadi” is an elementary school level insult.

How would *you* describe the fact that you defend Apple to the death no
matter what the perceived insult, much like the religious jihadi do?

Do you actually believe: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone,
while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
Samsung alone.”? Android is a phonemaker?

*Hemidactylus*

2024-05-06 22:29:40 UTC